Escape velocity for object on Earth

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The discussion revolves around calculating escape velocity for an object under a modified gravitational force described by an inverse-cube law, specifically F = KMm/r^3, as opposed to the traditional inverse-square law. Participants are exploring the implications of this change on the escape velocity formula.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • The original poster attempts to derive escape velocity using both the modified gravitational force and traditional equations, leading to confusion about the correct application of concepts. Some participants question the appropriateness of using Newton's Universal Law of Gravitation in this context, suggesting a focus on the implications of the new force law.

Discussion Status

Participants are actively engaging with the problem, with some providing hints and guidance on integrating the force to find potential energy. There is an ongoing exploration of different interpretations of the equations involved, particularly regarding the relationship between kinetic and potential energy under the new force law.

Contextual Notes

There is a noted assumption that the potential energy can be set to zero at infinity, which is a common practice in physics. The discussion also highlights the challenge of reconciling traditional gravitational concepts with the modified force law presented in the problem.

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Homework Statement


Suppose the gravitational force of the Earth on a body was [itex]F = \frac{KMm}{r^3}[/itex]. What escape velocity would a body need to escape the gravitational field of the Earth?


Homework Equations



[itex]v_e = \sqrt{\frac{2GM}{R}}[/itex]
[itex]F_g = G*\frac{m_1*m_2}{r^2}[/itex]

The Attempt at a Solution



[itex]G*\frac{m_1*m_2}{r^2}=\frac{KM_em}{r^3}[/itex]
m_1 and m_2 cross out with M and m. r^3 and r^2 can be reduced to give:
[itex]G=K/R[/itex]

Re-plug back into v_e equation:

[itex]\sqrt{\frac{2KM}{R^2}}[/itex]

But the given solution says:

[itex]\sqrt{\frac{KM}{R^2}}[/itex]

Where did I go wrong? Thanks!
 
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No, you're misunderstanding the problem. You shouldn't use Newton's Universal Law of Graviation, because the whole point of the problem is to ask, "what if we lived in a universe where Newton's universal law of gravitation was different and was an inverse-cube law instead of an inverse-square law?"

Hint: for a conservative force, we have:[tex]F = -\frac{dU}{dr}[/tex]which means that[tex]U = -\int F(r)\,dr[/tex]where this integral will give you an arbitrary constant, but we have the freedom to set this arbitrary constant to whatever we want, and we typically set it to 0 so that the potential energy goes to 0 at infinity.
 
Ok thank you!

I can take the integral of (KMm/r^3) and get:

[itex]\frac{KMm}{2r^2}[/itex]

then:

[itex]\frac{1}{2}mv^2 - \frac{KMm}{2r^2} = \frac{-KMm}{r_{max}}[/itex]
[itex]v^2 = 2KMm\times (\frac{1}{2Rr^2})[/itex]
[itex]v = \sqrt{\frac{KM}{R^2}}[/itex]

Thanks again!
 
thyrgle said:
Ok thank you!

I can take the integral of (KMm/r^3) and get:

[itex]\frac{KMm}{2r^2}[/itex]

then:

[itex]\frac{1}{2}mv^2 - \frac{KMm}{2r^2} = \frac{-KMm}{r_{max}}[/itex]
[itex]v^2 = 2KMm\times (\frac{1}{2Rr^2})[/itex]
[itex]v = \sqrt{\frac{KM}{R^2}}[/itex]

Thanks again!

I don't understand your second equation, particularly the KmM/r_max term. All you have to do is equate the potential energy to the kinetic energy. (1/2)mv^2 = KMm/(2r^2). This gives you the right answer.
 

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