Essentially comparison of isothermal and adiabatic transformations

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This discussion focuses on the comparison between isothermal and adiabatic transformations of ideal gases. The first sample undergoes an isothermal transformation from initial state (P1, V1) to (P2, V2), while the second sample undergoes an adiabatic transformation to (P3, V2). Given that P3 is less than P2, the conclusion is that V2 must be greater than V1 due to the principles of thermodynamics governing these transformations, specifically the Ideal Gas Law and the First Law of Thermodynamics.

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Two identical samples of ideal gas are initially at P1 and V1. The first sample undergoes an isothermal transformation to P2, V2 and second sample undergoes an adiabatic transformation to P3, V2. If P3<P2, is V2 higher or lower than V1? Explain



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Ideal Gas Law, Thermo Laws.

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P1V1 --isotherm-->P2V2
P1V1 --adiabatic-->P3V2
If P2>P3, is V2>V1 or V2<V1?
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For isotherm we have ΔU=Q+W, but since there is ΔT=0, then via 1st law of Thermo - ΔU=0 and Q=-W.
For adiabatic we have constant heat, Q=0, W=PΔV, ΔU=W=PΔV. Yet... it seems useless. My gut tells me V2>V1, though somehow I am having trouble wrapping my mind around it.
 
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There are two very useful equations relating pressure and volume, one for isothermal and one for adiabatic. You've met these, I would think.
 

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