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The discussion revolves around estimating the total harmonic distortion (THD) present in a current waveform using Fourier analysis. Participants are addressing the steps necessary to calculate THD, including obtaining the Fourier Transform, identifying principal frequencies, and synthesizing the original waveform from its harmonics. The conversation includes technical aspects of signal processing and the use of Excel for analysis.

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  • One participant describes the process of obtaining the Fourier Transform and expresses difficulty in calculating the rms values for the harmonics.
  • Another participant clarifies that In should represent the rms magnitudes of the individual harmonic components.
  • A participant mentions the fundamental frequency and its corresponding peak, suggesting that the fundamental frequency is the peak with the lowest frequency.
  • There is a discussion about determining n max, with one participant stating it corresponds to the highest significant frequency component observed in the data.
  • Concerns are raised about normalization factors in FFT implementations and how they may affect the results.
  • One participant proposes an exercise involving creating a synthetic signal to test the FFT's ability to recover harmonic frequencies.
  • Several participants express uncertainty about the calculations and seek confirmation on their understanding of I1 rms and n max.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the definitions of I1 and n max, but there remains uncertainty regarding the calculation of In and the normalization of FFT results. The discussion does not reach a consensus on these points.

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Participants mention potential variations in FFT implementations and normalization factors, which could affect the interpretation of results. There are also unresolved questions about the specific values for In and the overall approach to calculating THD.

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This discussion may be useful for students or practitioners interested in signal processing, particularly those working with Fourier analysis and harmonic distortion in electrical signals.

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The supply current was sampled 1024 times over a very short time interval. The data so obtained is given in column B of the accompanying Excel worksheet1. This worksheet has been set up to give a graph showing the spectral components of the data.

Question 3

  1. i) Obtain the Fourier Transform for the data using the Fourier Analysis tool of Excel. The transformed data should commence in cell D2.
  2. ii) Identify the principal frequencies in the current waveform.
  3. iii) Estimate the total harmonic distortion [THD] present in the current waveform using the formula:

    n max
    THD(I)=1/I1 SQRT Σ (In)^2 x 100%
    n=2

where I1 is the r.m.s. value of the fundamental current, In the r.m.s value of the nth harmonic and n(max) is the number of the highest measurable or significant harmonic.

[Note the vertical axis of the spectrum graph is scaled in (current)2.]

iv) Attempt to synthesise the shape of the original waveform from its principal harmonics [e.g. sketch the waveforms of the harmonics on the same time axis and add them together].I am struggling with 3iii.

for I1 rms I have SQRT 15.8 + 8.77 + 6.25 = 5.55A

n max I have 15.8 as its the highest magnitude.

But I'm not sure what to do to find In?

any help would be appreciated.
 
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Hndstudent said:
But I'm not sure what to do to find In?
In, or ##I_n## to make it clear, should be the rms magnitudes of the individual harmonic components.

Perhaps you could attach the Excel spreadsheet, or even a textfile of the datapoints you were given so that others might duplicate the problem?
 
Hi Gneill,

please find attached original worksheet. and a screen shot of the completed waveform.
 

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gneill said:
In, or ##I_n## to make it clear, should be the rms magnitudes of the individual harmonic components.

Perhaps you could attach the Excel spreadsheet, or even a textfile of the datapoints you were given so that others might duplicate the problem?
Hi Gneill, I am still struggling to work out ##I_n##. And am I close with my I1 rms and n max answers?

Thanks
 
Hndstudent said:
Hi Gneill, I am still struggling to work out ##I_n##. And am I close with my I1 rms and n max answers?

Thanks
##I_1## will be the magnitude of the fundamental alone. That is, the single peak that corresponds to the fundamental frequency associated with the current. In general this is the peak with the lowest frequency. The other peaks should be located at some multiples of that frequency. In your data the fundamental corresponds to the 15.878 at a frequency of about 53 Hz.

##n_{max}## is the number of the frequency component peak with the highest frequency that you intend to deem as "significant". The peaks are numbered from 1 to ##n_{max}##, with "1" being associated with the fundamental. If you plot your FFT values, how many significant peaks can you see over the whole domain? It looks like you've already picked them out and there are three of them. So ##n_{max}## = 3.

As an aside, I have noticed that different implementations of the FFT algorithm tend to apply different normalizing factors to the returned values. You might find, for example, that in order to recover the actual component contributions to your "signal" that you have to multiply the returned values by some constant, typically 2. The "DC" contribution (if any) is usually exempt from this normalization (I don't know why this is).

As an exercise you might try concocting your own "signal" with known components at particular frequencies and see how your Excel FFT handles it. Maybe something like:

##f(t) = 10 sin(ω_o t) + 3 sin(5 ω_o t) + 2 sin(8 ω_o t)##

where you choose the fundamental frequency ##ω_o## in radians/sec as you wish. Also pick a suitable sampling frequency to "sample" the signal generate the raw datapoints. See if you can "recover" the harmonic frequencies and their magnitudes from the FFT data.
 
Hi, is this thread still active as I have a question relating to this topic. Please advise or should i start a new thread ?? Thanks
 
David J said:
Hi, is this thread still active as I have a question relating to this topic. Please advise or should i start a new thread ?? Thanks
Probably best to start a new thread. It's unlikely that the OP is still interested in pursuing this thread at this time.
 

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