Estimating the energy of an alpha particle using Bethe's formula

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The discussion revolves around estimating the energy of an alpha particle using Bethe's formula, with participants expressing confusion over the application of the formula and the request for a graph of -dE/dP vs. E. There are inconsistencies noted in the terms used in the formula, leading to doubts about the accuracy of the provided information. The simplified version of the problem assumes non-relativistic conditions for the alpha particle and involves the reduced mass, but clarity is lacking on how to apply Taylor's expansion for energy estimation. Participants suggest that the graph request may be a typo, and they propose that a plot of -dE/dx vs. E would be more appropriate. Overall, the conversation highlights the complexities and potential errors in interpreting the problem statement.
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Homework Statement
Full question is below
Relevant Equations
Bethe's formula
The question is below. I tried reasoning that because x is constant, E is also constant however that gives me values in the range of 10^51. Then I tried to use numpy's ivp_solve function to solve the differential equation however I wasn't able to get that working either. Apparently I'm meant to use Taylor's expansion to estimate E however I'm not sure how I would do that.
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PandaKitten said:
This is a simplified version which we were given because the alpha particle is non relativistic so beta << 1 and it also uses reduced mass mu and also E = 1/2 m_e/m_He.
This last statement is unclear. Please show what ## \mu ## is algebraically. Supposedly ## E ## is the energy of the alpha particle. This looks like a case where your notes that you might have taken in lecture contain errors.
 
This is what the question states
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I have to admit, I can't make sense out of their asking for a graph of ## -\frac{dE}{dP} ## vs. ## E ##. Perhaps someone else can see what they are asking for here.
 
PandaKitten said:
Homework Statement:: Full question is below
Relevant Equations:: Bethe's formula

The question is below. I tried reasoning that because x is constant, E is also constant however that gives me values in the range of 10^51. Then I tried to use numpy's ivp_solve function to solve the differential equation however I wasn't able to get that working either. Apparently I'm meant to use Taylor's expansion to estimate E however I'm not sure how I would do that.
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Are you 100% sure they are asking a graph of -dE/dP vs E?? I would be willing to bet that this is a typo and they really are just asking a plot of -dE/dx vs E, which is then simple, they just want the graph of the expression they provided. (By the way, their definition of reduced mass is very unorthodox!)
 
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Charles Link said:
I have to admit, I can't make sense out of their asking for a graph of −dEdP vs. E. Perhaps someone else can see what they are asking for he
For instance, one might wish to choose a pressure where the response of the detector has particular characteristics for a certain energy alpha particle. Maybe there is a nice flat spot or an edge.
 
dE/dP makes no sense on its own. d2E/dPdx means something.
 
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They were asking in the context of a 10cm path length so I assume that is the detector path length and an average energy if I recall
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