Estimating the energy of an alpha particle using Bethe's formula

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The discussion revolves around estimating the energy of an alpha particle using Bethe's formula. Participants are exploring the implications of the formula and the context in which it is applied, particularly focusing on the energy calculations and the graphical representation of the results.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the reasoning behind constant values for variables and the resulting energy estimates, noting discrepancies in their calculations. Some mention using numerical methods and Taylor's expansion, while others question the clarity of the problem statement regarding the graph of -dE/dP vs. E.

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The discussion is active, with participants raising questions about the formulation and interpretation of the problem. There is a mix of attempts to clarify the terms used in the equations and suggestions that there may be errors in the provided definitions. Some participants express confusion about the graphical representation requested in the problem.

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There are indications that the problem may contain inconsistencies or typos, particularly regarding the definitions of terms like reduced mass and the expected graph. Participants are also considering the context of the detector path length in their discussions.

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Homework Statement
Full question is below
Relevant Equations
Bethe's formula
The question is below. I tried reasoning that because x is constant, E is also constant however that gives me values in the range of 10^51. Then I tried to use numpy's ivp_solve function to solve the differential equation however I wasn't able to get that working either. Apparently I'm meant to use Taylor's expansion to estimate E however I'm not sure how I would do that.
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PandaKitten said:
This is a simplified version which we were given because the alpha particle is non relativistic so beta << 1 and it also uses reduced mass mu and also E = 1/2 m_e/m_He.
This last statement is unclear. Please show what ## \mu ## is algebraically. Supposedly ## E ## is the energy of the alpha particle. This looks like a case where your notes that you might have taken in lecture contain errors.
 
This is what the question states
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I have to admit, I can't make sense out of their asking for a graph of ## -\frac{dE}{dP} ## vs. ## E ##. Perhaps someone else can see what they are asking for here.
 
PandaKitten said:
Homework Statement:: Full question is below
Relevant Equations:: Bethe's formula

The question is below. I tried reasoning that because x is constant, E is also constant however that gives me values in the range of 10^51. Then I tried to use numpy's ivp_solve function to solve the differential equation however I wasn't able to get that working either. Apparently I'm meant to use Taylor's expansion to estimate E however I'm not sure how I would do that.
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Are you 100% sure they are asking a graph of -dE/dP vs E?? I would be willing to bet that this is a typo and they really are just asking a plot of -dE/dx vs E, which is then simple, they just want the graph of the expression they provided. (By the way, their definition of reduced mass is very unorthodox!)
 
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Charles Link said:
I have to admit, I can't make sense out of their asking for a graph of −dEdP vs. E. Perhaps someone else can see what they are asking for he
For instance, one might wish to choose a pressure where the response of the detector has particular characteristics for a certain energy alpha particle. Maybe there is a nice flat spot or an edge.
 
dE/dP makes no sense on its own. d2E/dPdx means something.
 
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They were asking in the context of a 10cm path length so I assume that is the detector path length and an average energy if I recall
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