Estimating the order of magnitude of a ratio of two cross sections

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The discussion revolves around estimating the order of magnitude of the ratio of cross sections for the processes (electron, positron → 2 photons) and (electron, positron → 3 photons). The scope includes theoretical considerations related to particle physics and cross section calculations.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant notes that cross section is proportional to (1/q^4)*(Phase space factor)*(Coupling constant) and questions whether q^2 can be determined with the given information.
  • Another participant references a source suggesting that the probability of producing two photons is significantly higher than that of producing three photons, estimating a ratio of ~300:1.
  • A participant expresses a desire for clarification on how to make an estimate based on the provided information, indicating that the question may be too specific.
  • It is mentioned that the cross section depends on the square of the amplitude, which involves the fine-structure constant in calculations.
  • Another participant expresses a need for an explanation of how to approach the estimation of the ratio.

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Participants do not reach a consensus on how to estimate the ratio, with some providing insights while others seek further clarification. Multiple viewpoints and approaches are presented without resolution.

Contextual Notes

Participants express uncertainty regarding the assumptions needed for the estimation, particularly concerning the coupling constant and the treatment of q^2 in the calculations.

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The question is "Make a simple estimate of the order of magnitude of the ratio of the cross sections (electron,positron->2photons) and (electron,positron->3photons)"

Now I know that cross section is proportional to (1/q^4)*(Phase space factor)*(Coupling constant) where q^2 = E^2 - p^2. We are also told that the difference in phase space factors are negligible so will be canceled in the ratio.

I think I can find coupling constant as g^(number of vertices).

My question is; can you actually find the q^2 with the information I've been given? If not am I meant to assume that it's the same for both, but then the ratio would just equal g which makes no sense. Any help would be really appreciated :)
 
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Cheers for the reply but that's not really what I was asking. I'm really just looking for HOW an estimate can be made with the information I've been given. It might be too specific a question but I might as well try.
 
The cross section depends on the square of the amplitude. This is why the fine-structure constant, rather than just e turns up in observables.
 
I need to know the answer to this exact question too.
It would be really useful if someone could explain how to do it.
 

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