Rutherford cross-section from QED

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The discussion revolves around the calculation of the Rutherford cross-section within the framework of Quantum Electrodynamics (QED). Participants explore different approaches to compute the cross-section, including the use of matrix elements and phase space considerations for scattering processes.

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  • Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • One participant proposes calculating the Rutherford cross-section using the four-potential and a specific matrix element involving photon polarization.
  • Another participant suggests an alternative approach using Møller scattering (e + e → e + e) with photon exchange, providing a different matrix element formulation.
  • A question is raised about the implications of taking the mass of one of the electrons to be infinite in the context of the proposed calculations.
  • Another participant responds by suggesting that it may not be necessary to take the mass to infinity, proposing instead to analyze the problem in the center of mass (CM) system.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the appropriate method for calculating the cross-section, with no consensus reached on the best approach or the implications of mass considerations.

Contextual Notes

The discussion includes unresolved mathematical steps and assumptions regarding the phase space for the proposed processes, as well as the implications of different scattering frameworks.

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Hi everyone. I have a question about the calculation of Rutherford cross section in the context of QED. I know how to compute it using the usual four potential:
$$
A_\mu(q)=(\frac{e}{q^2},0,0,0)
$$
and taking the matrix element to be:
$$
\mathcal{M}=\bar u_{s'}(p')\gamma_\mu u_s(p)A^{\mu}(q).
$$

I was wondering if it is possible to compute it also by considering it as the process e+γ→e, i.e. taking the matrix element to be:
$$
\mathcal{M}=e\bar u_{s'}(p')\gamma_\mu u_s(p)\epsilon^\mu,
$$
where \epsilon^\mu is the photon polarization.

In this case I got (if I did everything correctly):
$$
\frac{1}{2}\sum_{spin}|\mathcal{M}|^2=2e^2q^2.
$$

My question is: how should I now integrate this to obtain the cross section? In order words, what is the phase space for this weird 2→1 process?

Thanks
 
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Einj said:
I was wondering if it is possible to compute it also by considering it as the process e+γ→e, i.e. taking the matrix element to be:
$$
\mathcal{M}=e\bar u_{s'}(p')\gamma_\mu u_s(p)\epsilon^\mu,
$$
where \epsilon^\mu is the photon polarization.
No, but you can compute it from Møller scattering, that is, e + e → e + e, with exchange of a photon, in which M is something like

$$
\mathcal{M}=e^2 \frac{\bar u(p_1')\gamma^\mu u(p_1) \bar u(p_2')\gamma_\mu u(p_2)}{(p_1' - p_1)^2}
$$

and then take the nonrelativistic limit.
 
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Does it mean just to take the mass of one of the two electrons to be infinite?
 
Einj said:
Does it mean just to take the mass of one of the two electrons to be infinite?
I don't think you need to, I think you can just go to the CM system and regard it as one of the electrons scattering off its mirror image.
 
Sounds good, thanks!
 

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