Euler Lagrange equations in continuum

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The discussion centers on deriving the Euler-Lagrange equations in a continuum setting, specifically focusing on the Lagrangian density, denoted as $$\mathscr{L}$$. The participants explore the implications of the limit $$l \rightarrow 0$$ on the terms derived from the Lagrangian, particularly $$L=l^3\sum_{(i j k)} \mathscr{L}^{(i j k)}(t)$$. The challenge lies in understanding the spatial derivatives and their contributions to the equations, as well as the behavior of discretized terms in the limit. The conversation highlights the need for clarity on how to handle these discretized components effectively.

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Homework Statement
Given

$$\frac{d}{dt} \frac{\partial L}{\partial \dot \phi_a^{(i j k)}} - \frac{\partial L}{\partial \phi_a^{(i j k)}} = 0 \tag{1}$$

Show that, in the limit ##l \rightarrow 0##, we obtain

$$\partial_{\mu} \frac{\partial \mathscr{L}}{\partial(\partial_{\mu} \phi_a)} - \frac{\partial \mathscr{L}}{\partial \phi_a} = 0 \tag{2}$$
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OK I've been stuck for a while in how to derive ##(1)##, so I better solve a simplified problem first:

We work with

Where

$$\mathscr{L} = \mathscr{L}(\phi_a (\vec x, t), \partial_{\mu} \phi_a (\vec x, t)) \tag{3}$$

And ##(3)## implies that ##\mathscr{L}(\vec x, t)##

We know that

$$L=l^3\sum_{(i j k)} \mathscr{L}^{(i j k)}(t) \tag{4}$$

Where

$$\lim_{l \rightarrow 0} L = \int d^3 \vec x \mathscr{L} \tag{5}$$

So, in analogy with ##(3), \mathscr{L}^{(i j k)}## depends on the fields ##\phi_a^{(i j k)} (t)##, on the time derivative of the fields ##\dot \phi_a^{(i j k)} (t)## and on the partial derivative of the fields with respect to ##x, y## and ##z## i.e;

$$\frac{\phi^{(i+1, j, k)}(t)-\phi^{(i, j, k)}(t)}{l} \tag{6.1}$$

$$\frac{\phi^{(i, j+1, k)}(t)-\phi^{(i, j, k)}(t)}{l} \tag{6.2}$$

$$\frac{\phi^{(i, j, k+1)}(t)-\phi^{(i, j, k)}(t)}{l} \tag{6.3}$$Let's tackle the problem.

I would naively plug ##(4)## into ##(1)## and evaluate the terms to get

$$\frac{\partial}{\partial \dot \phi_a^{(i j k)}} \sum_{(i'j'k')} \Big[ l^3 \mathscr{L}^{(i' j' k')}(t) \Big] = l^3 \frac{\partial \mathscr{L}^{(i j k)}}{\partial \dot \phi_a^{(i j k)}} \tag{7.1}$$

$$\frac{\partial}{\partial \phi_a^{(i j k)}} \sum_{(i'j'k')} \Big[ l^3 \mathscr{L}^{(i' j' k')}(t) \Big] = l^3 \frac{\partial \mathscr{L}^{(i j k)}}{\partial \phi_a^{(i j k)}} \tag{7.2}$$

Where I've used the Kronecker delta.

Next I'd take the limit ##l \rightarrow 0##$ of ##\frac{\partial \mathscr{L}^{(i j k)}}{\partial \dot \phi_a^{(i j k)}}## and ##\frac{\partial \mathscr{L}^{(i j k)}}{\partial \phi_a^{(i j k)}}## to get ##\frac{\partial \mathscr{L}}{\partial \dot \phi_a}## and ##\frac{\partial \mathscr{L}}{\partial \phi_a}## (respectively)

So I get

$$l^3 \Big( \frac{d}{dt} \frac{\partial \mathscr{L}}{\partial \dot \phi_a} - \frac{\partial \mathscr{L}}{\partial \phi_a} \Big) = 0 \tag{8}$$

Which of course does not yield ##(2)## when taking the limit ##l \rightarrow 0##.

The issue is that I am missing the spatial components ##(6.1), (6.2), (6.3)##...

I've been discussing this problem and related but we did not manage to really understand it.

Any help is really appreciated.

Thank you :biggrin:
 
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Alright here's another attempt (after discussing with a colleague).

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So it seems we are closer but we still do not see why certain terms in above's EQ. 5 should vanish when taking the limit ##l \rightarrow 0##.

The issue we really have is that we do not fully understand how to deal with discretized terms...

@samalkhaiat , would you have time for this? :smile:
 
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