Get the current and the EQs of Motion of the Dirac-Lagrangian density

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The discussion focuses on deriving the current and equations of motion from the Dirac-Lagrangian density. The current derived differs from the provided one by a constant factor, which is deemed acceptable since any scalar multiple of a conserved current is also conserved. The equations of motion for the left-handed and right-handed components of the Dirac field are derived, but the initial solutions do not match the expected results. The participants clarify that the Lagrangian should be expressed in terms of the left and right components, leading to a simplification that allows for the application of the Euler-Lagrange equations. Ultimately, the conversation emphasizes the importance of correctly defining the Lagrangian and the transformation properties of the fields involved.
  • #91
JD_PM said:
Is ##\gamma^5\bar{\psi}_L^T=+\bar{\psi}_L^T## meant to be equivalent to ##\gamma^5\psi_R=+\psi_R##? If yes, we also proved it at #62
Well, you have to prove this and you are done
 
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  • #92
Gaussian97 said:
Well, you have to prove this and you are done

We have

$$\gamma^5\bar{\psi}_L^T=+\bar{\psi}_L^T$$

And we want to end up with

$$\gamma^5\psi_R=+\psi_R $$

We recall that

$$\psi_{L,R} := \frac{1 \mp \gamma^5}{2} \psi$$

$$\bar{\psi} := \psi^{\dagger}\gamma^0$$

$$\psi^{\dagger} := (\psi^*)^T$$

The LHS can be written as follows

$$\gamma^5\bar{\psi}_L^T=\gamma^5(\psi^{\dagger}_L\gamma^0)^T=\gamma^5 \Big( (\psi_L^*)^T\gamma^0\Big)^T= \gamma^5 \psi_L^* \gamma^0= \frac 1 2 \gamma^5 (1+\gamma^5)\psi \gamma^0=\gamma^5 \psi_R \gamma^0$$

Mmm but

$$\gamma^5 \psi_R \gamma^0 \neq \bar{\psi}_L^T$$

So one of the following assumptions I made has to be wrong:

1) ##(\gamma^0)^T= \gamma^0##

2) ##(\gamma^5)^* = -\gamma^5##

3) ##(\psi)^*=\psi##
 
  • #93
The same problem as always, in the third equality, ##\psi_L \gamma^0## makes no sense.
Also assumptions 2) and 3) are not true.
 
  • #94
Alright so the issue is that this equality doesn't hold

$$\gamma^5 \Big( (\psi_L^*)^T\gamma^0\Big)^T= \gamma^5 \psi_L^* \gamma^0$$

This is because the ##4 \times 1## matrix ##\psi## (contained in ##\psi_L^*##) cannot be multiplied by ##\gamma^0## (a ##4 \times 4## matrix).

So my mistake had to be made before reaching that equality. Do you agree? I still do not see it though...
 
  • #95
No, the LHS is correct, the problem is precisely this equality, I could tell you why is wrong, but I think would be more instructive that you try to show all the hidden steps and then write explicitly what properties are you using in each step.
 
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  • #96
Gaussian97 said:
I think would be more instructive that you try to show all the hidden steps and then write explicitly what properties are you using in each step.

I agree. You are doing right in not telling me what the solution is straight away.

Let's start over. This time I am going to use the fact that ##\bar{\psi}=\bar{\psi_L}+\bar{\psi_R}##

##\gamma^5\bar{\psi}_L^T=\gamma^5\Big(\bar{\psi}-\bar{\psi}_R \Big)^T=\gamma^5\Big(\psi^{\dagger} \gamma^0-\psi^{\dagger}_R \gamma^0 \Big)^T=\gamma^5\Big(\psi^{\dagger}\gamma^0-\frac 1 2 \psi^{\dagger} \gamma^0-\frac 1 2 \psi^{\dagger} \gamma^5 \gamma^0\Big)^T=\gamma^5\Big(\frac 1 2\psi^{\dagger}\gamma^0-\frac 1 2 \psi^{\dagger} \gamma^5 \gamma^0\Big)^T##

Do you agree? At point I think everything makes sense: before taking the transpose, inside the parenthesis we have ##1\times 4## matrices; once we take the transpose we get a ##4 \times 1## matrix. Thus the product ##\gamma^5(...)## is OK.

Mmm now the issue is to show that

$$\Big(\frac 1 2\psi^{\dagger}\gamma^0-\frac 1 2 \psi^{\dagger} \gamma^5 \gamma^0\Big)^T=\psi_R$$

Could you please give me a hint on how to do so?
 

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