Get the current and the EQs of Motion of the Dirac-Lagrangian density

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The discussion revolves around the Dirac-Lagrangian density and the derivation of the current and equations of motion associated with it. Participants are exploring the implications of transformations on the Lagrangian and the resulting currents, as well as the equations of motion for left-handed and right-handed components of the Dirac field.

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  • Participants are examining the definition of the current derived from the Lagrangian and questioning the validity of a constant factor in their results. They are also discussing the invariance of the Lagrangian under specific transformations and the implications for the current's conservation. Additionally, there is an exploration of the equations of motion for different components of the Dirac field.

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The discussion is active, with participants providing insights and suggestions for re-evaluating their approaches. Some have indicated that the current derived is valid despite differences in constant factors, while others are clarifying the requirements for deriving equations of motion for specific components of the field. There is a recognition of the need to revisit earlier parts of the problem for clarity.

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Participants are navigating the complexities of the Dirac equation and its components, with some expressing uncertainty about the definitions and transformations involved. There is an emphasis on ensuring that the Lagrangian remains invariant under transformations, which is central to the discussion of the current and equations of motion.

  • #91
JD_PM said:
Is ##\gamma^5\bar{\psi}_L^T=+\bar{\psi}_L^T## meant to be equivalent to ##\gamma^5\psi_R=+\psi_R##? If yes, we also proved it at #62
Well, you have to prove this and you are done
 
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  • #92
Gaussian97 said:
Well, you have to prove this and you are done

We have

$$\gamma^5\bar{\psi}_L^T=+\bar{\psi}_L^T$$

And we want to end up with

$$\gamma^5\psi_R=+\psi_R $$

We recall that

$$\psi_{L,R} := \frac{1 \mp \gamma^5}{2} \psi$$

$$\bar{\psi} := \psi^{\dagger}\gamma^0$$

$$\psi^{\dagger} := (\psi^*)^T$$

The LHS can be written as follows

$$\gamma^5\bar{\psi}_L^T=\gamma^5(\psi^{\dagger}_L\gamma^0)^T=\gamma^5 \Big( (\psi_L^*)^T\gamma^0\Big)^T= \gamma^5 \psi_L^* \gamma^0= \frac 1 2 \gamma^5 (1+\gamma^5)\psi \gamma^0=\gamma^5 \psi_R \gamma^0$$

Mmm but

$$\gamma^5 \psi_R \gamma^0 \neq \bar{\psi}_L^T$$

So one of the following assumptions I made has to be wrong:

1) ##(\gamma^0)^T= \gamma^0##

2) ##(\gamma^5)^* = -\gamma^5##

3) ##(\psi)^*=\psi##
 
  • #93
The same problem as always, in the third equality, ##\psi_L \gamma^0## makes no sense.
Also assumptions 2) and 3) are not true.
 
  • #94
Alright so the issue is that this equality doesn't hold

$$\gamma^5 \Big( (\psi_L^*)^T\gamma^0\Big)^T= \gamma^5 \psi_L^* \gamma^0$$

This is because the ##4 \times 1## matrix ##\psi## (contained in ##\psi_L^*##) cannot be multiplied by ##\gamma^0## (a ##4 \times 4## matrix).

So my mistake had to be made before reaching that equality. Do you agree? I still do not see it though...
 
  • #95
No, the LHS is correct, the problem is precisely this equality, I could tell you why is wrong, but I think would be more instructive that you try to show all the hidden steps and then write explicitly what properties are you using in each step.
 
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  • #96
Gaussian97 said:
I think would be more instructive that you try to show all the hidden steps and then write explicitly what properties are you using in each step.

I agree. You are doing right in not telling me what the solution is straight away.

Let's start over. This time I am going to use the fact that ##\bar{\psi}=\bar{\psi_L}+\bar{\psi_R}##

##\gamma^5\bar{\psi}_L^T=\gamma^5\Big(\bar{\psi}-\bar{\psi}_R \Big)^T=\gamma^5\Big(\psi^{\dagger} \gamma^0-\psi^{\dagger}_R \gamma^0 \Big)^T=\gamma^5\Big(\psi^{\dagger}\gamma^0-\frac 1 2 \psi^{\dagger} \gamma^0-\frac 1 2 \psi^{\dagger} \gamma^5 \gamma^0\Big)^T=\gamma^5\Big(\frac 1 2\psi^{\dagger}\gamma^0-\frac 1 2 \psi^{\dagger} \gamma^5 \gamma^0\Big)^T##

Do you agree? At point I think everything makes sense: before taking the transpose, inside the parenthesis we have ##1\times 4## matrices; once we take the transpose we get a ##4 \times 1## matrix. Thus the product ##\gamma^5(...)## is OK.

Mmm now the issue is to show that

$$\Big(\frac 1 2\psi^{\dagger}\gamma^0-\frac 1 2 \psi^{\dagger} \gamma^5 \gamma^0\Big)^T=\psi_R$$

Could you please give me a hint on how to do so?
 

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