Get the current and the EQs of Motion of the Dirac-Lagrangian density

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This discussion focuses on deriving the current and equations of motion from the Dirac-Lagrangian density, specifically using the Lagrangian defined as ##\mathcal{L} = i \hbar c \bar{\psi}\gamma^{\mu} \partial_{\mu} \psi##. The participants analyze the Noether current and its conservation, concluding that any current of the form ##j'^\mu = k j^\mu## remains conserved. They also explore the equations of motion for the left-handed and right-handed components of the Dirac spinor, ##\psi_L## and ##\psi_R##, and discuss the implications of massless limits on their decoupling.

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  • #91
JD_PM said:
Is ##\gamma^5\bar{\psi}_L^T=+\bar{\psi}_L^T## meant to be equivalent to ##\gamma^5\psi_R=+\psi_R##? If yes, we also proved it at #62
Well, you have to prove this and you are done
 
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  • #92
Gaussian97 said:
Well, you have to prove this and you are done

We have

$$\gamma^5\bar{\psi}_L^T=+\bar{\psi}_L^T$$

And we want to end up with

$$\gamma^5\psi_R=+\psi_R $$

We recall that

$$\psi_{L,R} := \frac{1 \mp \gamma^5}{2} \psi$$

$$\bar{\psi} := \psi^{\dagger}\gamma^0$$

$$\psi^{\dagger} := (\psi^*)^T$$

The LHS can be written as follows

$$\gamma^5\bar{\psi}_L^T=\gamma^5(\psi^{\dagger}_L\gamma^0)^T=\gamma^5 \Big( (\psi_L^*)^T\gamma^0\Big)^T= \gamma^5 \psi_L^* \gamma^0= \frac 1 2 \gamma^5 (1+\gamma^5)\psi \gamma^0=\gamma^5 \psi_R \gamma^0$$

Mmm but

$$\gamma^5 \psi_R \gamma^0 \neq \bar{\psi}_L^T$$

So one of the following assumptions I made has to be wrong:

1) ##(\gamma^0)^T= \gamma^0##

2) ##(\gamma^5)^* = -\gamma^5##

3) ##(\psi)^*=\psi##
 
  • #93
The same problem as always, in the third equality, ##\psi_L \gamma^0## makes no sense.
Also assumptions 2) and 3) are not true.
 
  • #94
Alright so the issue is that this equality doesn't hold

$$\gamma^5 \Big( (\psi_L^*)^T\gamma^0\Big)^T= \gamma^5 \psi_L^* \gamma^0$$

This is because the ##4 \times 1## matrix ##\psi## (contained in ##\psi_L^*##) cannot be multiplied by ##\gamma^0## (a ##4 \times 4## matrix).

So my mistake had to be made before reaching that equality. Do you agree? I still do not see it though...
 
  • #95
No, the LHS is correct, the problem is precisely this equality, I could tell you why is wrong, but I think would be more instructive that you try to show all the hidden steps and then write explicitly what properties are you using in each step.
 
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  • #96
Gaussian97 said:
I think would be more instructive that you try to show all the hidden steps and then write explicitly what properties are you using in each step.

I agree. You are doing right in not telling me what the solution is straight away.

Let's start over. This time I am going to use the fact that ##\bar{\psi}=\bar{\psi_L}+\bar{\psi_R}##

##\gamma^5\bar{\psi}_L^T=\gamma^5\Big(\bar{\psi}-\bar{\psi}_R \Big)^T=\gamma^5\Big(\psi^{\dagger} \gamma^0-\psi^{\dagger}_R \gamma^0 \Big)^T=\gamma^5\Big(\psi^{\dagger}\gamma^0-\frac 1 2 \psi^{\dagger} \gamma^0-\frac 1 2 \psi^{\dagger} \gamma^5 \gamma^0\Big)^T=\gamma^5\Big(\frac 1 2\psi^{\dagger}\gamma^0-\frac 1 2 \psi^{\dagger} \gamma^5 \gamma^0\Big)^T##

Do you agree? At point I think everything makes sense: before taking the transpose, inside the parenthesis we have ##1\times 4## matrices; once we take the transpose we get a ##4 \times 1## matrix. Thus the product ##\gamma^5(...)## is OK.

Mmm now the issue is to show that

$$\Big(\frac 1 2\psi^{\dagger}\gamma^0-\frac 1 2 \psi^{\dagger} \gamma^5 \gamma^0\Big)^T=\psi_R$$

Could you please give me a hint on how to do so?
 

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