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The discussion revolves around finding a formula for the Euler's totient function \(\phi(p^n)\) where \(p\) is a positive prime and \(n\) is a positive integer. The original poster shares observations for specific cases like \(\phi(2^n)\) and \(\phi(3^n)\) but expresses difficulty in proving these observations formally.

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  • The original poster attempts to derive a general formula for \(\phi(p^n)\) based on observations for small values of \(n\) but struggles with formal proof. They also mention trying induction and express a need for more properties of the function. Other participants suggest counting methods related to divisors and relative primality, questioning the original poster's approach.

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The discussion includes attempts to clarify the properties of the Euler's totient function and explore counting techniques. Some participants provide insights that may guide the original poster towards a better understanding, but there is no explicit consensus on a solution or method yet.

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The original poster indicates that their understanding of the Euler's function is limited, having only learned its definition, which may affect their ability to approach the problem effectively.

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Homework Statement



Well, the question is to find a formula for [tex]\phi(p^n)[/tex] where [tex]\phi[/tex] is the Euler's totient, and p is a positive prime.



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[tex]\phi(2^n)[/tex] well in this case here is what i did, i first took n=1, n=2, n=3, and it looks like

[tex]\phi(2^n)=2^{n-1}[/tex] but i am failing to prove it, because this is just by observation.

Also i tried

[tex]\phi(3^n)[/tex] and by observing what happens when, n=1,2,3 etc, this one also looks like the general formula for any n is going to be

[tex]\phi(3^n)=2*3^{n-1}[/tex] again i wasn't able to prove this one formally either.

I tried in both cases to prove it by induction, but i have a feeling that i need to know more properties about that function in order to know what operations i can perform. We, basically have only learned what euler's function is, and that's it.

The Attempt at a Solution




I really don't know whot to go about it.

Well, i gave it a shot, but nothing
say n=1 then

[tex]\phi(p)=p-1[/tex] since the group of invertibles is going to have p-1 elements.

Now, let n=2

[tex]\phi(p^2)=?[/tex]
 
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Do you know that 1- xn= (1- x)(1+ x+ x2=+ ... + xn-2+ xn)? That's all you need. The proper divisors or pn are precisely 1, p, ..., pn-1.
 
HallsofIvy said:
Do you know that 1- xn= (1- x)(1+ x+ x2=+ ... + xn-2+ xn)? That's all you need. The proper divisors or pn are precisely 1, p, ..., pn-1.

It's not even that hard, is it? A number is relatively prime to p^n only if it isn't divisible by p. Count the numbers that AREN'T relatively prime to p^n (i.e. p,2p,3p,4p...p^n-p). Now count ALL the numbers less that p^n. Subtract.
 
Well, thanks guys a lot, i see it now!
 

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