Euler's Phi function Number Theory

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The discussion revolves around the Euler's Phi function in number theory, specifically exploring the relationship between the function and the greatest common divisor (gcd) of two integers, a and b. The original poster seeks to prove a specific identity involving Phi(ab) given that gcd(a,b)=d.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the formula for the Euler's Phi function and its application to the problem. There are attempts to express Phi(ab) in terms of the prime factors of a and b, and questions arise about the implications of shared prime factors in relation to the gcd.

Discussion Status

The discussion is active, with participants exploring various aspects of the problem, including the prime factorization of a, b, and d. Some guidance has been offered regarding the use of prime factorization in the context of the identity in question, but no consensus has been reached on the approach to take.

Contextual Notes

Participants note the complexity introduced by shared prime factors between a and b, which affects the calculation of Phi(ab). There is also mention of specific values that could be plugged in to clarify the abstract concepts being discussed.

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Ok the question is as follows:

Given gcd(a,b)=d, show that Phi(ab)= (d*phi(a)phi(b))/phi(d)



I know that if gcd(a,b)=1 then phi(ab)=Phi(a)phi(b) but I am just stuck here. Any help would be greatly appreciated!
 
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phi(n)=n(1-1/p1)...(1-1/pk), where pi are the distinct prime factors of n. Can you prove and then use this?
 
Status X...that was another part of the question. They gave us the fact that

phi(a)=a*PROD(1-1/p) for the distinct prime factors. Can one say:

phi(ab)=ab*PROD(1-1/p) for the distinct prime factors of a and b? I don't know if this would help me or not
 
The product is over the distinct prime factors of ab. But a and b may share some prime factors (which, remember, will then be in d).
 
I don't exactly understand what you mean by "which, remember will be in d"

d is the gcd of a and b
 
Try writing out the identity in the first post using the prime factor expansion of phi(n). Which prime factors does d have?
 
ok i wrote out the prime factorization of the equation in the first post.

The d on the numerator cancels the d in the denominator. I'm not very good thinking about primes and factors (even though I am taking Number theory haha).

Which prime factors does d have?
Does d have the same prime factors as a and b since it is the gcd of a and b?
 
Think about the definition of d. If the abstractness is confusing you, try plugging in some values for a and b.
 
I have a question about this same problem. The prime factors of d are 1 and d. So since D is the only distinct prime factor of a and b, this means phi(n)=n*(1-1/d) right? But then, How do I go from here?
 

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