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Andy
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Sounds more like communism than democracy to me.
European Referendum: Uniting Europe?
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The discussion revolves around the European referendum and the proposed constitution, exploring themes of European unity, national interests, and the implications of the constitution for various countries and regions within Europe. Participants express their opinions on the potential benefits and drawbacks of the constitution, as well as their national identities and political sentiments.
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Main Points Raised
- Some participants propose that a referendum would clarify public sentiment regarding European unity and the constitution.
- Several participants express support for the constitution, arguing it could enhance European unity and position Europe as a global superpower.
- Others raise concerns about the perceived dominance of France and Germany in the constitution, suggesting it undermines the interests of smaller nations like Spain and Catalonia.
- Some participants highlight the lack of understanding among the public regarding the constitution, indicating a need for better education on the topic.
- There are mixed feelings about national identity, with some expressing pride in their European identity while others emphasize regional or national interests.
- Participants from Norway express skepticism about their lack of influence in EU decisions, while others challenge this perspective by discussing the benefits of European cooperation.
- Humorous remarks about French military history and leadership add a light-hearted tone to the debate.
Areas of Agreement / Disagreement
Participants exhibit a range of opinions, with no clear consensus on the constitution or the implications of a united Europe. Disagreements persist regarding national interests versus European unity, and the discussion remains unresolved.
Contextual Notes
Some participants express uncertainty about the constitution's content and its implications for various nations, indicating a reliance on external sources for information. The discussion reflects diverse national perspectives and varying levels of engagement with the EU's political landscape.
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Individuals interested in European politics, national identity, and the implications of the EU constitution may find this discussion relevant.
Sounds more like communism than democracy to me.
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Andy
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I have just read in the Sun newspaper, a leading tabloid newspaper in britain, that as part of the EU constitution all member states will give up there foreign embassies and europe will just have one embassy with an ambassador that will report directly to the EU in brussels. Also they point out that Britain will its voice in NATO and will no longer have a seat on the UN security council. Please tell me again why this is a good thing?
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Andy said:
Be sure I am too far of communism. Could you kill a boy in your country only because you want to do it? Sure not. That kind of common rules is what I am referring to, and the respect to them is one of the pillars of the democracy.
Andy said:
I have not read the constitution, and I don't feel like to do it. Maybe that's a bad thing, but it is the most common way to go to vote. Perhaps that thing could be attenuated by another positive three ones.
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brewnog
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Andy said:
So it must be true then!
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Andy
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lol yea, they where referring to a radio interview the spanish prime minister gave.
So your going to vote yes on something without actually knowing what that is? Always read the smallprint before you sign for anything.
So your going to vote yes on something without actually knowing what that is? Always read the smallprint before you sign for anything.
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brewnog
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I think his point was that most people don't care enough about the ins and outs of the issue to research it properly, but these people will still go to the polling station just to make their voice heard.
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Spain voted yes
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/4280841.stm
Though I didn't vote (when will be possible to vote through Internet?)
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/4280841.stm
Though I didn't vote (when will be possible to vote through Internet?)
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Spain voted yes (77%). But pay attention to the low percentage which turned out: 42%.
In fact nobody has read the Constitution, Andy. Who has time to do it?
Although we went to vote as blinds, we voted according to <how> the idea sounds.
To those who have a referendum in his countries, I invite them to post here what happens after it. Here, the two main parties are fighting between them trying to clear up who has the blame for the low turnout percentage. So that, now we have an added problem.
In fact nobody has read the Constitution, Andy. Who has time to do it?
Although we went to vote as blinds, we voted according to <how> the idea sounds.
To those who have a referendum in his countries, I invite them to post here what happens after it. Here, the two main parties are fighting between them trying to clear up who has the blame for the low turnout percentage. So that, now we have an added problem.
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Andy
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a lot of ideas sound good at the time.
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