Evaluate Definite Integral $(x-3)^2$ and $(x+4)^2$

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The discussion revolves around the evaluation of the definite integrals of the functions $(x-3)^2$ and $(x+4)^2$, specifically focusing on the expression $\displaystyle \int_{-5}^{-7}\ln \left(x-3\right)^2dx+2\int_{0}^{1}\ln(x+4)^2dx$. Participants explore various methods for solving these integrals, including substitutions and integration techniques.

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  • Mathematical reasoning
  • Technical explanation
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant proposes a substitution $(x-3) = t$ and $(x+4) = u$, leading to transformed integrals $\displaystyle \int_{-8}^{-10}\ln(t^2)dt+2\int_{4}^{5}\ln(u)^2du$.
  • Another participant suggests using the property $ln\, t^2 = 2 \,ln\, t$ and mentions the need to consider the negative limits in the integration.
  • A different participant discusses using integration by parts for $\int (\ln(x))^2 \;dx$, assuming $x$ is positive over the range of integration.
  • One participant challenges the previous claims by stating that the integrals are related to $\ln{ \left( x^2 \right) }$, not $\left[ \ln{(x)} \right] ^2$.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the relationship of the integrals to logarithmic functions, indicating a lack of consensus on the approach to take for evaluation. Multiple competing views remain regarding the methods and transformations applicable to the integrals.

Contextual Notes

There are unresolved assumptions regarding the limits of integration and the behavior of logarithmic functions over the specified ranges. The discussion includes various interpretations of the integrals involved.

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Evaluation of $\displaystyle \int_{-5}^{-7}\ln \left(x-3\right)^2dx+2\int_{0}^{1}\ln(x+4)^2dx$

My Try:: Let $(x-3) = t$ Then $dx = dt$ and changing Limit, we get

and Again put $(x+4) = u,$ Then $dx = du$ and changing Limit, we get

$\displaystyle \int_{-8}^{-10}\ln(t^2)dt+2\int_{4}^{5}\ln(u)^2du$

Now How can I solve after That

Help me

Thanks
 
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jacks said:
Evaluation of $\displaystyle \int_{-5}^{-7}\ln \left(x-3\right)^2dx+2\int_{0}^{1}\ln(x+4)^2dx$

My Try:: Let $(x-3) = t$ Then $dx = dt$ and changing Limit, we get

and Again put $(x+4) = u,$ Then $dx = du$ and changing Limit, we get

$\displaystyle \int_{-8}^{-10}\ln(t^2)dt+2\int_{4}^{5}\ln(u)^2du$

Now How can I solve after That

Help me

Thanks

$ln\, t^2 =2 \,ln\, t$ and then I think you know how to integrate ln t dt and as 1st limit is -ve use $(-t)^2$
 
jacks said:
Evaluation of $\displaystyle \int_{-5}^{-7}\ln \left(x-3\right)^2dx+2\int_{0}^{1}\ln(x+4)^2dx$

My Try:: Let $(x-3) = t$ Then $dx = dt$ and changing Limit, we get

and Again put $(x+4) = u,$ Then $dx = du$ and changing Limit, we get

$\displaystyle \int_{-8}^{-10}\ln(t^2)dt+2\int_{4}^{5}\ln(u)^2du$

Now How can I solve after That

Help me

Thanks

Since both of these are related to $$\int (\ln(x))^2 \;dx$$ I will do this.

We use integration by parts with $$u=\ln(x)$$ and $$dv=\ln(x)$$. Then $$du=1/x$$ and $$v=x\ln(x)-x$$, and so:

$$\int (\ln(x))^2\;dx=\int u\; dv= u\; v - \int du\;v=x\ln(x)(\ln(x)-1) -\int (\ln(x) -1) \;dx$$

(note: I assume that $$x$$ is positive over any range of integration we may use, which can always be arranged as long as $$0$$ is not in the range)

(note: This is also a standard integral, item 15.530 in Scham's Handbook)
 
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zzephod said:
Since both of these are related to $$\int (\ln(x))^2 \;dx$$ I will do this.

No they're not, they're related to $\displaystyle \begin{align*} \ln{ \left( x^2 \right) } \end{align*}$, not $\displaystyle \begin{align*} \left[ \ln{(x)} \right] ^2 \end{align*}$.
 

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