Evaluate S8.4.3.84 Integral from 1 to 3

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The discussion revolves around evaluating the integral \( I=\displaystyle\int_1^3 \dfrac{y^3-2y^2-y}{y^2}\ dy \). Participants explore different methods of integration, including expanding the integrand and evaluating the integral as a single expression.

Discussion Character

  • Mathematical reasoning, Homework-related, Technical explanation

Main Points Raised

  • One participant proposes expanding the integral into three separate integrals for evaluation.
  • Another participant questions the necessity of breaking the integral into three parts and suggests evaluating it as a single definite integral.
  • A later reply provides a calculation for the integral, arriving at \( I=4-4-\ln(3)=\ln(3) \), but notes that there is no book answer for this even problem number.
  • Another participant points out a potential sign error in the logarithmic result, suggesting that \( -\ln(3) \) can be expressed as \( \ln\left(\dfrac{1}{3}\right) \).

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the method of integration, with some favoring the expansion into separate integrals and others advocating for a single integral approach. There is also a disagreement regarding the interpretation of the logarithmic result.

Contextual Notes

Participants do not reach a consensus on the best method for evaluating the integral, and there are unresolved questions regarding the correctness of the logarithmic expression.

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Evaluate $I=\displaystyle\int_1^3 \dfrac{y^3-2y^2-y}{y^2}\ dy$
\begin{array}{lll}\displaystyle
\textit{expand}
&I=\displaystyle\int_1^3 y \ dy
-\displaystyle\int_1^3 2 \ dy
-\displaystyle\int_1^3 \dfrac{1}{y} \ dy
\end{array}

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interval is $y \in [1,3]$

no division by zero, so it’s all good ... but why not just one definite integral to evaluate

$\displaystyle \int_1^3 y - 2 - \dfrac{1}{y} \, dy$

instead of three?
 
skeeter said:
interval is $y \in [1,3]$

no division by zero, so it’s all good ... but why not just one definite integral to evaluate

$\displaystyle \int_1^3 y - 2 - \dfrac{1}{y} \, dy$

instead of three?
well don't we have to integrate them individually anyway

integrate
$I=\biggr|\dfrac{y^2}{2}-2y-\ln{y}\biggr|_1^3$
calculate
$I=4-4-\ln (3)=\ln(3)$

this was an even problem number so no book answer
 
you really need to pay attention to your signs ...

$-\ln(3) = \ln\left(\dfrac{1}{3}\right)$
 

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