Evaluating a Limit: $\lim_{x\to 0}\frac{1}{4}$

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The discussion revolves around evaluating the limit $$\lim_{x\to 0}\frac{\sqrt{1+\tan\left({x}\right)}-\sqrt{1+\sin\left({x}\right)}}{{x}^{3}}$$ and whether it equals $\frac{1}{4}$. Participants explore various methods for simplifying the expression and addressing the undefined nature of the limit as $x$ approaches 0.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant suggests rationalizing the numerator as a first step to evaluate the limit.
  • Another proposes using the limit of the product being the product of limits and references the limit $$\lim_{x\to0}\frac{\sin(x)}{x}=1$$ multiple times.
  • Several participants discuss how to manipulate the expression to isolate terms involving $\sin(x)$ and $\tan(x)$.
  • There is a claim that plugging in $0$ directly does not yield $\frac{1}{4}$, indicating uncertainty about the evaluation process.
  • One participant confirms that $$\lim_{x\to0}\frac{\sec(x)-1}{x^2}=\frac{1}{2}$$ but questions how this was determined.
  • Another participant elaborates on the manipulation of the limit involving $\sec(x)$ and the application of the Pythagorean identity to arrive at a conclusion about the limit's behavior.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the evaluation of the limit, with some asserting that it approaches $\frac{1}{4}$ while others challenge this conclusion, indicating that the discussion remains unresolved.

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Participants highlight the need for careful manipulation of terms and the potential for undefined expressions as $x$ approaches 0. There are references to various mathematical identities and limits that are not fully resolved in the discussion.

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Evaluate

$$\lim_{{x}\to{0}}\frac{\sqrt{1+\tan\left({x}\right)}-\sqrt{1+\sin\left({x}\right)}}{{x}^{3}}=\frac{1}{4}$$

I tried but didn't know how to deal with the undefines
 
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1.) "Rationalize" the numerator.

2.) Factor and use limit of product is product of limits.

3.) Use $$\lim_{x\to0}\frac{\sin(x)}{x}=1$$

4.) "Rationalize" numerator, then apply Pythagorean identity.

5.) Use limit of power is power of limit and $$\lim_{x\to0}\frac{\sin(x)}{x}=1$$

6.) What remains goes to 1/4 by direct substitution.
 
by rationalizing

$$\frac{\sqrt{1+\tan\left({x}\right)}-\sqrt{1+\sin\left({x}\right)}}{{x}^{3}}=
\frac{\tan{(x)}-\sin{(x)}}{{x}^{3}\left(\sqrt{1+\tan\left({x}\right)}+\sqrt{1+\sin\left({x}\right)}\right)}$$

how could you get $\displaystyle \frac{\sin(x)}{x}$ unless you divide all terms by $x$
 
Okay, you now have:

$$\frac{\tan{(x)}-\sin{(x)}}{{x}^{3}\left(\sqrt{1+\tan\left({x}\right)}+\sqrt{1+\sin\left({x}\right)}\right)}$$

Observe that both terms in the numerator have $\sin(x)$ as a factor, so write it as:

$$\frac{\sin(x)}{x}\cdot\frac{\sec(x)-1}{{x}^{2}\left(\sqrt{1+\tan\left({x}\right)}+\sqrt{1+\sin\left({x}\right)}\right)}$$

And then continue from there, using my advice above. :D
 
I don't see that pluging in $0$ would result in $\frac{1}{4}$
 
karush said:
I don't see that pluging in $0$ would result in $\frac{1}{4}$

You still have some work to do...:D
 
$$\lim_{{x}\to{0}}\frac{\sin\left({x}\right)}{x}
\cdot\lim_{{x}\to{0}}\frac{1}{\sqrt{1+\tan\left({x}\right)}+\sqrt{1+\sin\left({x}\right)}}
\cdot\lim_{{x}\to{0}}\frac{\sec\left({x}\right)-1}{{x}^{2 }}$$
$$1\cdot\frac{1}{2}\cdot\frac{1}{2}=\frac{1}{4}$$
 
This is correct:

$$\lim_{x\to0}\frac{\sec(x)-1}{x^2}=\frac{1}{2}$$

But how did you determine it?
 
TI

But personally don't know

Thot $$\frac{du}{dv}$$ but not
 
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This is what I intended:

$$\frac{\sec(x)-1}{x^2}\cdot\frac{\sec(x)+1}{\sec(x)+1}=\frac{1}{\sec(x)+1}\cdot\frac{\sec^2-1}{x^2}$$

Now, the limit of the first quotient is 1/2, and we are left with:

$$\frac{\sec^2-1}{x^2}$$

We need for this to go to 1, and so applying the Pythagorean identity $\tan^2(x)=\sec^2(x)-1$, we have:

$$\left(\frac{\tan(x)}{x}\right)^2=\sec^2(x)\left(\frac{\sin(x)}{x}\right)^2$$

And we see that this does in fact go to 1. :D
 
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I wouldn't of got to the last step
Bur that is very helpful
 

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