Evaluating Dirac Delta Integrals: Homework Statement

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The discussion revolves around evaluating integrals involving the Dirac delta function, specifically the integrals \(\int^{+\infty}_{-\infty}\delta[f(x)]dx\) and \(\int^{+\infty}_{-\infty}\delta[f(x)]g(x)dx\). The subject area includes concepts from calculus and mathematical analysis, particularly focusing on properties of the Dirac delta function and the implications of function behavior.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Conceptual clarification

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the substitution method for evaluating the integrals and question the assumptions regarding the invertibility and differentiability of the function \(f(x)\). There are inquiries about how to handle limits of integration when the behavior of \(f(x)\) is unknown.

Discussion Status

The discussion is ongoing, with participants exploring various interpretations of the problem. Some have provided guidance on the implications of assuming \(f\) is invertible, while others express uncertainty about how to proceed without specific information about \(f(x)\). There is recognition of the need for clarity on assumptions made in the problem statement.

Contextual Notes

Participants note that the problem does not specify assumptions about the function \(f(x)\), which complicates the evaluation of the integrals. There is a mention of the lack of explicit statements in the homework context regarding the properties of functions involved.

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Homework Statement


Evaluate the following integrals:
[tex]\int^{+\infty}_{-\infty}\delta[f(x)]dx[/tex]
and
[tex]\int^{+\infty}_{-\infty}\delta[f(x)]g(x)dx[/tex]

Homework Equations


[tex]\int^{+\infty}_{-\infty}\delta(x)dx=1[/tex]
[tex]\int^{+\infty}_{-\infty}\delta(x)f(x)dx=f(0)[/tex]
[tex]\int^{+\infty}_{-\infty}\delta(x-a)f(x)dx=f(a)[/tex]

The Attempt at a Solution


Part a:
[tex]\int^{+\infty}_{-\infty}\delta[f(x)]dx[/tex]
let:
[tex]u=f(x)[/tex]
[tex]du=f'(x)dx[/tex]
[tex]\int^{+\infty}_{-\infty}\delta[f(x)]dx=\int^{+\infty}_{-\infty}\frac{\delta(u)du}{f'(x)}=\int^{+\infty}_{-\infty}\frac{\delta(u)du}{f'[f^{-1}(u)]}=\frac{1}{f'[f^{-1}(0)]}[/tex]
Is this correct?
 
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I don't see
  1. How you computed the new limits of integration after substituting
  2. How you determined f was invertible
  3. How you determined f was differentiable
 
Hurkyl said:
I don't see
  1. How you computed the new limits of integration after substituting
  2. How you determined f was invertible
  3. How you determined f was differentiable

All three were not specified, I just assumed. Usually when we get questions like these the functions are assumed to be invertible and differentiable. I just copied the question verbatim. Without those assumptions I can't go anywhere... or can I?
 
The first one was specified: the original limits of integration were [itex](-\infty, +\infty)[/itex]. When you did the substitution, it looks like you transformed the integrand but forgot to transform the limits.

What to do if f is not differentiable? I dunno.

What to do if f is not invertible? This one should be manageable -- in fact, the identity you are tasked to derive is often stated for the non-invertible case! (with an extra assumption on f')


It's a shame your text doesn't make some statement someplace about what assumptions it's making on functions, either in the exercise or somewhere in an introductory chapter. :frown:
 
Well... This is the first homework of the intro E&M class, not math class... so I guess I can't really blame anyone for not making statements.

Ok, now for the limits:
If I don't know the function f(x), then how can I set the limits for the integration? Where do you suggest that I look? I looked the the wiki page for the dirac delta but doesn't really help.
 
(assuming of differentiable and invertible...)

You did everything else about the problem without "knowing" the function f(x) -- what is it about the limits that's giving you trouble?
 
Well I let u=f(x), so how can I know how f(x) behave at at x=infinity?
 
What would you do if you did know f(x)?
 
The new limits of integration.
[tex]\int_{f(-\infty)}^{f(+\infty)}\frac{\delta(u)du}{f'[f^{-1}(u)]}[/tex]
Now, assuming that u or for that matter f(x) has places which equal zero between the limits of the integral above, the delta function picks out the terms that u=f(x)=0.
[tex]\int_{f(-\infty)}^{f(+\infty)}\frac{\delta(u)du}{f'[f^{-1}(u)]}=\frac{1}{f'[f^{-1}(u')]}|_{u'=0}[/tex]
 
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That looks reasonable. Now, we did make use of the assumption f is invertible -- because you used a substitution. (Also, if f is invertible, its graph cannot cross the x-axis twice)

But you forgot one thing (albeit an unfortunately common one) -- while Dirac delta does satisfy
[tex]\int_{-3}^{7} \delta(x) f(x) \, dx = f(0)[/tex]​
it does not satisfy
[tex]\int_{4}^{-2} \delta(x) f(x) \, dx = f(0)[/tex]​
...




If f is not invertible, you still seem to have some idea about what the integrand could be. But substitution only works on domains where f is invertible! Can you think of a way to proceed? (You'll probably have to make an additional assumption on f -- so figure out an idea, and then figure out what you assumed to use your idea)
 

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