Evaluating Fractions with fractorials

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The discussion revolves around evaluating factorial expressions, specifically (n+2)!/n! and n!/(n-1)!. Participants are exploring the properties of factorials and how to simplify these expressions.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

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  • The original poster attempts to understand the simplification of factorial expressions and questions how to derive the results shown in their textbook. They express confusion about factoring out n! and how that leads to the answers provided.
  • Some participants suggest expanding the factorials to clarify the relationships between the terms, while others explore the cancellation of terms in the expressions.

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Participants are actively engaging with the factorial expressions, with some providing insights into the expansion and cancellation processes. There is a sense of progress as participants clarify their understanding through examples, though no consensus has been reached on a formal method.

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Participants are working under the constraints of homework guidelines, which may limit the depth of exploration into the factorial concepts. There is an emphasis on understanding rather than simply obtaining answers.

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Evaluate each factorial expression

A) (n+2)!/n!

My book doesn't really show how to come up with a solution. After looking in the back for the answer it showed (n+2)(n+1), which works if you plug in random values for x. "After" seeing the answer I reasoned maybe it could be broken down as (n+1)(n+2)n!/n!, but not really understanding why... like how am I factoring out the n! & ending up with that?

Here is another one I'm struggling with n!/(n-1)!. Here again, the book shows the answer to be n, which works, but can't quiet figure out how to get started. I thought maybe it'd be n!/(n-1)n! but that doesn't give me n as an answer.
 
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well look at this:

4! = 4*3*2*1

n! = n*(n-1)*(n-2)* ... *2*1

So now, what do you think of the:
(n+2)!
 
I think it helps as malawi_glenn said to expand the factorials.

\frac{(n+2)!}{n!} = \frac{(n+2)*(n+1)*(n)*(n-1)*(n-2)*...*2*1}{(n)*(n-1)*(n-2)*...*2*1}
 
Ok, that helps I think. So with say this one n!/(n-1)! that is like saying

n(n-1)(n-2).../(n-1)(n-2)... = n

Its like the denominator starts at (n-1) instead of n in the sequence & the rest just cancels out, correct? Thanks for the help.
 
kuahji said:
Ok, that helps I think. So with say this one n!/(n-1)! that is like saying

n(n-1)(n-2).../(n-1)(n-2)... = n

Its like the denominator starts at (n-1) instead of n in the sequence & the rest just cancels out, correct? Thanks for the help.

Well, yes.
If you are not comfortable with doing it with n, try to do it with a number, say 5, in the begining, then you will get more comfortable with the more abstract ones.
 

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