Even/Odd solutions for particles in boxes

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The discussion revolves around the classification of solutions for particles in boxes, specifically addressing the concepts of even and odd solutions in relation to their mathematical forms and the intervals used for localization. Participants explore the implications of these classifications in both infinite and finite potential wells.

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  • One participant notes that their book states even solutions correspond to n = 2, 4, 6, etc., and odd solutions to n = 1, 3, 5, etc., but expresses confusion over the relationship between these classifications and the properties of sine and cosine functions.
  • Another participant explains that the terms "even" and "odd" refer to the symmetry of the solutions under reflections at the midpoint of the interval, suggesting that the odd-numbered eigenfunctions have positive parity and even-numbered eigenfunctions have negative parity.
  • Some participants discuss the implications of choosing different intervals for the box, noting that the choice of interval affects the form of the solutions (sine vs. cosine) and their classification as even or odd functions.
  • There is a recurring confusion about the terminology used in the book, particularly regarding the association of odd solutions with cosine functions, which are mathematically even.
  • Several participants comment on the apparent contradiction in the book's classification, suggesting that it may refer to the numbering of solutions rather than their mathematical properties.

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Participants express confusion and disagreement regarding the terminology used in the book, particularly the association of odd solutions with cosine functions. There is no consensus on the interpretation of the classifications, and multiple viewpoints remain regarding the definitions of even and odd solutions.

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Participants highlight the dependence on the choice of interval for the box, which influences the form of the solutions and their classification. The discussion also reflects uncertainty about the definitions and implications of parity in the context of quantum mechanics.

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I don't get the even/odd solutions
My book tells me that, for both infinite and finite particle in boxes, that:

Even solutions are for n = 2, 4, 6, etc and have a sin function form, while odd solutions are for n = 1, 3, 5 etc and have a cos function form.

I'm very confused though, because sin functions are odd and cosine functions are even. Do the even and odd terms just apply to the n values?

Also, as a side-note, do these solutions have n-1 nodes?

Thanks
 
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It depends on how you localize your "box". If you choose the interval as ##[0,a]## you get much more simple
$$u_n(x)=\sin(n k x), \quad n \in \mathbb{N}=\{1,2,3,\ldots \}, \quad k=\frac{\pi}{a}.$$
"Even" and "Odd" refers to the symmetry of the problem under reflections at the midpoint ##x_0=a/2## of the interval, i.e., under the transformation ##x \rightarrow a-x##. This is the parity operation ##\hat{P}##. Indeed you get
$$\hat{P}u_n(x)=u_n(a-x)=(-1)^{n+1} u_n(x),$$
i.e., the odd-##n## eigenfunctions have positive, the even-##n## eigenfunctions negative parity.

If you make the interval ##[-a/2,a/2]##, then you get cos and sin solutions, which directly are even and odd functions under reflections ##x \rightarrow -x##. Of course these are the same solutions as with the other choice of the interval.
 
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vanhees71 said:
It depends on how you localize your "box". If you choose the interval as ##[0,a]## you get much more simple
$$u_n(x)=\sin(n k x), \quad n \in \mathbb{N}=\{1,2,3,\ldots \}, \quad k=\frac{\pi}{a}.$$
"Even" and "Odd" refers to the symmetry of the problem under reflections at the midpoint ##x_0=a/2## of the interval, i.e., under the transformation ##x \rightarrow a-x##. This is the parity operation ##\hat{P}##. Indeed you get
$$\hat{P}u_n(x)=u_n(a-x)=(-1)^{n+1} u_n(x),$$
i.e., the odd-##n## eigenfunctions have positive, the even-##n## eigenfunctions negative parity.

If you make the interval ##[-a/2,a/2]##, then you get cos and sin solutions, which directly are even and odd functions under reflections ##x \rightarrow -x##. Of course these are the same solutions as with the other choice of the interval.
That makes a lot of sense, thanks.

Only thing I'm still confused about is that my book, which has the interval -a/2, a/2, associates the odd solutions with cosine, despite the fact that cosine is obviously even..
 
MaestroBach said:
That makes a lot of sense, thanks.

Only thing I'm still confused about is that my book, which has the interval -a/2, a/2, associates the odd solutions with cosine, despite the fact that cosine is obviously even..

The book must mean odd and even numbered.
 
PeroK said:
The book must mean odd and even numbered.
Well that's very confusing, thanks
 
PeroK said:
he book must mean odd and even numbered.

So the odd solutions are even-numbered and the even solutions are odd-numbered.

That's really...odd.
 
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Vanadium 50 said:
That's really...odd.
No, it's really even, at least as long as
...the odd solutions are even-numbered and the even solutions are odd-numbered.
:smile: SCNR
 

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