Everything can be broken down to a digital signal.

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The discussion revolves around the concept of whether all matter can be considered digital, particularly in the context of the Planck length and the nature of locality in physics. Participants explore the implications of dividing lengths and the binary nature of digital signals, while referencing quantum mechanics and philosophical reasoning.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants assert that the Planck length is indivisible, suggesting that at this scale, matter may exhibit a binary nature akin to digital signals (1 or 0).
  • Others argue against the idea that all matter is digital, pointing out that losing locality implies a state of being both present and absent (1 AND 0), similar to quantum qubits.
  • A participant humorously compares the logic of the original claim to a Monty Python sketch, indicating skepticism towards the reasoning presented.
  • Another participant questions the implications of dividing the Planck length by Pi, hinting at further exploration of the topic.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on whether it is correct to say all matter is digital. Some support the idea based on the indivisibility of the Planck length, while others refute it by highlighting the complexities of locality and quantum states. The discussion remains unresolved with multiple competing perspectives.

Contextual Notes

The discussion involves assumptions about the nature of locality and the interpretation of digital signals in relation to physical matter. There are unresolved mathematical implications regarding the Planck length and its division.

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If we take a segment of length, we can divide it in half. We can take one of the remaining halves, and we can divide it in half again. We naturally assume that this can go on forever. We assume that no matter how small a length we end up dealing with, we can always - at least conceptually - divide any remainder in half. It turns out that this is not true. There is a length known as the Planck length, 10-33 centimeters, that is indivisible.

At that point is loses locality.. so its either there or not.. so to speak it becomes a 1 or a none if you will.

A digital signal is a 1 or a 0...

So is it completely wrong to say all matter is digital?
 
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Cale Carter said:
If we take a segment of length, we can divide it in half. We can take one of the remaining halves, and we can divide it in half again. We naturally assume that this can go on forever. We assume that no matter how small a length we end up dealing with, we can always - at least conceptually - divide any remainder in half. It turns out that this is not true. There is a length known as the Planck length, 10-33 centimeters, that is indivisible.

At that point is loses locality.. so its either there or not.. so to speak it becomes a 1 or a none if you will.

A digital signal is a 1 or a 0...

So is it completely wrong to say all matter is digital?
Of course it's wrong.

You're logic is like this scene from Monty Python.

There is a simple way to figure out if she is a witch or not.

Witches burn, and what else burns?

Wood!

Yes, and wood floats. What else floats?

... A duck?

Yes! So if this woman weighs as much as a duck, then she is a witch!
 
Cale Carter said:
If we take a segment of length, we can divide it in half. We can take one of the remaining halves, and we can divide it in half again. We naturally assume that this can go on forever. We assume that no matter how small a length we end up dealing with, we can always - at least conceptually - divide any remainder in half. It turns out that this is not true. There is a length known as the Planck length, 10-33 centimeters, that is indivisible.

At that point is loses locality.. so its either there or not.. so to speak it becomes a 1 or a none if you will.

A digital signal is a 1 or a 0...

So is it completely wrong to say all matter is digital?

You are contradicting yourself. If something loses locality, it means that its position is spread out over that spatial location, meaning it is here AND there. So it isn't simply there or not there (1 or 0), but rather there AND not there (1 AND 0). This is similar to the quantum qubits, where in a bipartite system, you do not just have 1 or 0, but also a state of 1 AND 0.

So yes, it is completely wrong to say that all matter is digital.

Zz.
 
Fantastic, Evo! (you were in no position to retrieve that scene and yet you memorized the script exactly) and thanks for the link, Robert. Copying that link shamelessly for using it somewhere else.
 
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Cale Carter said:
If we take a segment of length, we can divide it in half. We can take one of the remaining halves, and we can divide it in half again. We naturally assume that this can go on forever. We assume that no matter how small a length we end up dealing with, we can always - at least conceptually - divide any remainder in half. It turns out that this is not true. There is a length known as the Planck length, 10-33 centimeters, that is indivisible.
At that point is loses locality.. so its either there or not.. so to speak it becomes a 1 or a none if you will.

A digital signal is a 1 or a 0...

So is it completely wrong to say all matter is digital?

10-33 centimeters ---divide that by Pi-----what do you get?
 

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