Examination of an automotive crash test

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The discussion revolves around the dynamics of automotive crash tests, specifically examining the deceleration profiles of vehicles during collisions with immovable barriers. Participants explore the nature of speed loss and its potential exponential characteristics, while considering the role of crumple zones in vehicle design.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant proposes that the speed loss during a crash could be described as exponential, drawing a parallel to a capacitor discharge curve, and questions the plausibility of this idea.
  • Another participant reminds that real-world crash reconstruction is not permitted but suggests that general questions about crash dynamics can be discussed, specifically mentioning the importance of understanding crumple zones.
  • A later reply discusses findings from a Google search on crash test data, indicating that well-designed cars aim to minimize peak deceleration during crashes, resulting in a more linear deceleration profile rather than an exponential one.
  • One participant acknowledges the role of crumple zones and speculates that vehicles without them might exhibit exponential deceleration, reflecting on theoretical discussions from physics classes.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the nature of deceleration during crashes, with some supporting the idea of a linear profile due to crumple zones, while others speculate about the characteristics of vehicles lacking such features. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the exact nature of deceleration profiles.

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There are limitations in the discussion, including assumptions about vehicle design and the lack of empirical data presented to support claims about deceleration profiles. The conversation also depends on the definitions of terms like "exponential" and "linear" in the context of crash dynamics.

Who May Find This Useful

This discussion may be of interest to individuals studying automotive engineering, crash safety design, or physics, particularly those curious about the mechanics of vehicle collisions and the impact of design features on crash outcomes.

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Given { KE=.5M(v^2)} the act of ramming a car into an immovable barrier and the loss in speed from first contact and when the car totally stops, can be described as exponential in nature. Just like that of a Capacitor discharge curve.
is that plausible, or for that matter solid accurate?
 
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Please keep in mind that we do not allow real-world crash reconstruction threads here at PF. But to the extent that your question is general in nature, we should be able to help you with it.

Do you understand how crush zones work on cars? Have you done any searching to try to find an answer to your question? You could probably use a Google search like accelerometer plot of car crash tests to find typical deceleration curves...
 
berkeman said:
You could probably use a Google search like accelerometer plot of car crash tests to find typical deceleration curves...
I refined this a bit by using a Google Images search on accelerometer and velocity plots of car crash tests and got better hits. It looks like the velocity profile of a well-designed car will try to minimize the peak deceleration during the crash, which makes sense. So the profile of the velocity during the crash deceleration is a fairly straight decreasing line, which means that the deceleration forces felt by the passengers is fairly constant during the crash duration in order to minimize injuries. If the velocity profile were exponential, you would have higher peak deceleration forces at first, and then decreasing forces after that. Not very healthy... :wink:

From one of the search hits:

(BTW -- Note that the title of this graph is misleading; the vertical axis is the Velocity, not the Change in Velocity)

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https://www.researchgate.net/figure...t-car-in-different-crash-tests_fig1_266397454
 
I see, its a function of "crumple zones" & I can guess that without crumple zones a vehicle would experience an exponential curve for its deceleration. Thanks for the info, Sorry about not going on a search for info before posting this.

I was thinking more like a non-crumple zone equipped vehicle, indeed much closer to those theoretical discussion in physics classes . . . oh well . .
 
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