Example of how a rotation matrix preserves symmetry of PDE

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the connection between Lie Groups, Lie Algebras, and the preservation of symmetries in partial differential equations (PDEs) through rotation matrices. Participants seek simple, concrete examples to illustrate these concepts, particularly focusing on how symmetries can be identified and utilized in the context of PDEs.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses difficulty in connecting Lie Algebra, Lie Groups, and Differential Geometry, specifically asking for a simple example of how rotation matrices preserve symmetries of PDEs.
  • Another participant references Noether's theorem and its relevance to symmetries in differential equations, suggesting that Noether's original paper is accessible but not in English.
  • A participant shares a Wikipedia article that provides derivations of Noether's Theorem, indicating it may be more elementary than standard textbooks, but acknowledges that it might still be too advanced for some.
  • One participant emphasizes the need for simpler examples and expresses a preference for contextually grounded explanations.
  • A later reply discusses the use of symmetries in reducing possible forms of solutions for PDEs, specifically mentioning the Green's function of Poisson's equation and its invariance under rotations.
  • The same participant notes the application of symmetries in Sturm-Liouville problems and representation theory, highlighting the role of eigenfunctions and eigenvalues.
  • Another participant provides a link to an external resource that includes an easy example related to the topic.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the importance of symmetries in the context of PDEs, but there is no consensus on a specific simple example that satisfies all participants' needs. Multiple viewpoints exist regarding the complexity of available resources and examples.

Contextual Notes

Some participants express that existing references, such as Noether's theorem, may be too advanced for their current understanding. There is also a recognition that while some examples may illustrate the concept of symmetries in PDEs, they may not be sufficiently simple for all participants.

JTC
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I have been having a hellish time connection Lie Algebra, Lie Groups, Differential Geometry, etc.
But I am making a lot of progress.

There is, however, one issue that continues to elude me.

I often read how Lie developed Lie Groups to study symmetries of PDE's

May I ask if someone could exemplify this with a very simple, concrete example?

For example, I understand orthogonal matrices (Lie Groups) and how their basis is skew symmetric matrices as generators (Lie Algebras) and I can connect this with the need to study Differential geometry.

But where can I find (or could someone provide) a simple, example of how rotation matrices preserve symmetries of PDS (and, also, explain what a synmmetry of a PDE is)
 
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This is a very good question and I'll try to find / create an example. Noether's paper about invariants of differential expressions (Göttingen, 1918) is quite clear and surprisingly easy to read compared to the modern versions of her famous theorem. I would quote it, but it's not in English.
 
JTC said:
But where can I find (or could someone provide) a simple, example of how rotation matrices preserve symmetries of PDS (and, also, explain what a synmmetry of a PDE is)

It may be a more elementary level than a textbook, but this Wikipedia article provides several derivations of Noether's Theorem in different contexts plus examples of its use. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Noether's_theorem
 
anorlunda said:
It may be a more elementary level than a textbook, but this Wikipedia article provides several derivations of Noether's Theorem in different contexts plus examples of its use. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Noether's_theorem

Hi, I am "aware" of Noether's work but I feel it is too advanced for me and am hoping for a simpler example. One must exist. I just feel much happier when things are in context of simple examples.
 
fresh_42 said:
This is a very good question and I'll try to find / create an example. Noether's paper about invariants of differential expressions (Göttingen, 1918) is quite clear and surprisingly easy to read compared to the modern versions of her famous theorem. I would quote it, but it's not in English.

If you do type up a response, please, if you can, keep it simple. It would help me a lot.
 
There are many examples of how symmetries can be used in relation to PDEs. One of the more encountered ones is to use the symmetries in order to reduce the possible forms of a solution. To be explicit, consider the search for the Green's function of Poisson's equation in ##n## dimensions, i.e.,
$$
\nabla^2 G(\vec x) = \delta^{(n)}(\vec x)
$$
This differential equation is invariant under rotations about the origin, implying that the Green's function ##G(\vec x)## can be written only as a function of ##r = \lvert \vec x\rvert##. Once we know this, we can significantly simplify the differential equation and eventually solve it as an ODE in ##r## (with the solution depending on the number of dimensions we consider).

Another application of symmetries to PDEs is to use the symmetries of a Sturm-Liouville problem, including the boundary conditions, to find out what types of eigenfunctions are admissible as solutions, the number of degenerate eigenvalues, etc, using representation theory.

Edit: In particular, it is a rather nice exercise to look at how the functions ##e^{in\varphi}## form the irreps of the group ##SO(2)## as represented by functions on the unit circle, or how the spherical harmonics form the irreps of the group ##SO(3)## as represented by functions on the unit sphere.
 

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