Existance of extraterestrial form of life

[chiro]

I don't know about you guys, but if I was an alien (hypothetically speaking), then I would not want to interact with human beings.

With the state of human beings at the moment, it would be way too dangerous both for us and for them.

As George Carlin said, we can't even care for each other and be responsible.

I sure would not want to come here and risk the savages nor risk coming and totally screwing things up, having to live with that for the rest of my life.

Whether outside life exists is a debate that has gone on for a long time, but in terms of having a positive answer to that question, I certainly would not expect (or hope for that matter) for a more highly civilized being to show themselves to us as we are at this present time.

It's bad enough now that we have quite a lot of people that want to have free will, but also have someone else do everything for them whether its a religious deity, some other human being or whatever else.

There are a lot of people in this world and sometimes giving people what they want is the worst thing you can do for them if they are expecting it to happen instantaneously without effort and learning.

I say the above because one thing that a significant portion of people express is usually between two distinct polar opposites: the first one is that some advanced alien race is going to save them and make the nightmares go away and the other extreme is that the aliens are going to come and wipe us out.

The militaries of the world would be frightened and everyone would panic, or the religious of the world with all the sick demented cults would hop on the gravy train turning this "opportunity" into something for their own benefit.

So either you have every-one either scared out of their mind or willing to do whatever the hell they were told.

What a choice they would have.

 

[Mentalist]

There are a lot of people in this world and sometimes giving people what they want is the worst thing you can do for them if they are expecting it to happen instantaneously without effort and learning.

Take a look at the internet. People want knowledge, and they have a means of easily attaining, yet don't seem to be more knowledgeable or wiser given the immense amount of knowledge at their finger-tips. One of the reasons is that certain types of knowledge are not streamlined enough for them to understand it at a moments whim.

But even if it were, it still would not solve any problems that plague the human of today. Wisdom is unattainable without introspection, or a better understanding of one's self. It is also not attainable without knowledge. So even if people got what they wanted in terms of knowledge being just a bunch of conglomerating facts to them, they would be nothing more than a computer without any understanding of those facts.

That is just my opinion though.

In my case, I've learned there is more to understanding than I initially thought. I always felt if it were intuitive enough then I understood it, but I learned of that obvious error. My intuition is at best faulty so I must understand through what is more logical and sometimes, against a more visceral gut reaction. There is no way around that.

No alien can give someone the knowledge and understanding one wants. No amount of technological advancements can do that either. Without having a deeper understanding, a person can never be wise no matter how hard they read up on wisdom. So those who flock to deities, etc..., will just remain in the dark. You can listen to other wise people, but that goes against what I am saying here in that wisdom comes from introspection. "Harkening (as the priest say it)" unto the wise is just another form of listening to those who are wiser, it is more of the external aspect and takes less from the what one needs to focus on.
(opinion)

Even though I do believe in alien life, I don't care too much to see it. There is no longing in me to see an alien. There is a longing to understand more than I do today though, but like I said above, that is more of a life's work than a simple snap of the wrist in my opinion.

 

[chiro]

What I was getting at was that a lot of people want everything done for them and sometimes just giving them what they want actually keeps them back instead of helping them develop.

It's not just knowledge academic or otherwise: it can be related to any kind of accomplishment or outcome whatsoever not just the acquisition of some esoteric knowledge.

It reminds of the song by System Of A Down Aerials: "We are the ones who want to choose, always want to play but you never want to lose" and people are really like that.

It's funny because a lot of people talk about the problems that exist, but very few genuinely want to solve them: they'd rather let someone else do it and that's the real point.

Ironically a lot of people wonder why everything is going to hell in a hand-basket in more ways than one.

 

[EBENEZR]

I don't know about you guys, but if I was an alien (hypothetically speaking), then I would not want to interact with human beings.

With the state of human beings at the moment, it would be way too dangerous both for us and for them.

As George Carlin said, we can't even care for each other and be responsible.

I sure would not want to come here and risk the savages nor risk coming and totally screwing things up, having to live with that for the rest of my life.

Whether outside life exists is a debate that has gone on for a long time, but in terms of having a positive answer to that question, I certainly would not expect (or hope for that matter) for a more highly civilized being to show themselves to us as we are at this present time.

It's bad enough now that we have quite a lot of people that want to have free will, but also have someone else do everything for them whether its a religious deity, some other human being or whatever else.

There are a lot of people in this world and sometimes giving people what they want is the worst thing you can do for them if they are expecting it to happen instantaneously without effort and learning.

I say the above because one thing that a significant portion of people express is usually between two distinct polar opposites: the first one is that some advanced alien race is going to save them and make the nightmares go away and the other extreme is that the aliens are going to come and wipe us out.

The militaries of the world would be frightened and everyone would panic, or the religious of the world with all the sick demented cults would hop on the gravy train turning this "opportunity" into something for their own benefit.

So either you have every-one either scared out of their mind or willing to do whatever the hell they were told.

What a choice they would have.

You seem to be basing your argument about contact on the premise that they not only know what we are like, but also understand behaviour like we do (or, like we think we do). For them, seeing us, may well be a perfectly ideal situation. We could be their petridish growth. Who knows if they're not doing that already. That they don't choose to interact because they can but are observing us like guinea pigs? They could easily "solve" all our problems, but won't out of an obligation like how naturalists cannot interfere when they see a dying or harmed animal.

 

[chiro]

They could well be, but don't you find it ironic how humans think? The fact that we think that every thing is a "petri-dish" and just waiting to not only be examined and observed but completely meddled with?

Why would a benevolent super-race want to help any species like us with this mindset? Do you think such a race at that level lacks any kind of serious conscious capacity to think about what its doing?

We're still trying to learn something called self-control unless it inevitably gets the best of us.

 

[uperkurk]

I absolutely believe that aliens exist. I've watched way to many documentaries to know that the universe is indescribably large. The fact that most humans think we are so special and unique that there couldn't possibly be any other life like us is just plain ignorant.

There are 10x more stars in the observable universe than grains of sand on Earth http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/3085885.stm and that it's highly likely each one of these stars has at least 1 orbital body. Now when you have and uncountable amount of planets, is it really too much to think that there are other intelligent life?

People often say "well if there were other life out there, why have they not found us yet?" Well the answer to this question is the same reason why when a fishing vessal goes missing at sea, there is a 99% chance the rescue helicopter won't find them, because the ocean is just too damn big to look for a tiny boat. Obviously magnify the ocean by 100 trillion trillion times while the fishing vessal stays the same size. Now you have a comparrison.

Many physicists including Stephen Hawking say that there it is much more likely that aliens exist than not existing. Maybe the laws of physics just simply can not be broken, the laws of physics will simply prevent us from ever traveling faster than light, going through a wormhole, teleportation ect. Maybe no matter how smart a species is, the laws of physics simply say no, you can't do that.

Maybe we're the most intelligent life in the universe? Maybe 14billion years is nothing for the age of the universe, maybe they live for trillions of years and so 14billions years is not a long time for things to involve.

Who knows, but hopefully I'll still be alive when aliens land on Earth offically. Even if they kill me, I can die knowing that the second most important question was answered.