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The discussion revolves around the existence and uniqueness of solutions for an initial value problem defined by a differential equation involving a continuous and continuously differentiable function \( f \). Participants explore the application of existence and uniqueness theorems, particularly the Picard–Lindelöf theorem, in the context of the problem.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants propose using the existence theorem due to the continuity of \( f \) and argue that \( \frac{1}{f} \) is also continuous since it does not reach zero.
  • There is a suggestion to show that \( \frac{1}{f} \) is bounded in a specified region \( R \) to establish the existence of a solution in a neighborhood around \( t_0 \).
  • Participants discuss the need for the Lipschitz condition for uniqueness and explore whether the differentiability of \( f \) implies that \( \frac{1}{f} \) is Lipschitz continuous.
  • Some participants express uncertainty about the implications of the continuity of \( f \) and whether it guarantees that \( f(x) \) does not equal zero in the relevant interval.
  • There are questions about the correctness of the mathematical reasoning presented, particularly regarding the derivation of Lipschitz continuity and the conditions required for the theorems to apply.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the need to apply the existence and uniqueness theorems but express differing views on the specific conditions required and the implications of the continuity of \( f \). The discussion remains unresolved regarding the sufficiency of the conditions for establishing uniqueness.

Contextual Notes

Limitations include the dependence on the assumptions about the behavior of \( f \) and the need for further clarification on the boundedness and Lipschitz conditions. The discussion does not resolve whether \( f \) being positive guarantees that it does not approach zero in the relevant interval.

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Hey! :o

We have the initital value problem $$\begin{cases}y'(t)=1/f(t, y(t)) \\ y(t_0)=y_0\end{cases} \ \ \ \ \ (1)$$ where the function $f:\mathbb{R}^2\rightarrow (0,\infty)$ is continuous in $\mathbb{R}^2$ and continuously differentiable as for $y$ in a domain that contains the point $(t_0, y_0)$.

Show that there exists $h>0$ such that the following two conditions are satisfied:
  • The problem (1) has a solution $\phi=\phi(t)$ that is defined at least for each $t\in (t_0-h, t_0+h)$.
  • In the interval $(t_0-h, t_0+h)$ there is no other solution of the problem (1). (i.e. if a function $\psi$ is a solution of the problem (1), then $\psi (t)=\phi (t)$, if $t\in (t_0-h, t_0+h)$)
For the first point we use the existence theorem, or not?

We have that $f$ is continuous, then $\frac{1}{f}$ is also continuous, since it doesn't get the value $0$. Is this correct?

We consider a region $R=\left \{(t,y) : |t-t_0|\leq a, \ |y-y_0|\leq b\right \}$ with $a,b>0$.

Do we have to show that $\frac{1}{f}$ is bounded in $R$ ?

Because then the IVP (1) would have at least one solution $\phi = \phi (t)$ defined in the interval $|t − t_0| \leq h$ where $h=\min \left \{a, \frac{b}{K}\right \}$, where $K$ is the maximum value of $\frac{1}{f}$ in $R$, or not?

(Wondering) For the second time we use the uniqueness theorem, or not?

Do we have to use for that the Lipschitz condition?

We have that $$\left |\frac{\frac{1}{f(t_1)}-\frac{1}{f(t_2)}}{t_1-t_2}\right |=\left |\frac{\frac{f(t_2)-f(t_1)}{f(t_1)f(t_2)}}{t_1-t_2}\right |=\left |\frac{f(t_2)-f(t_1)}{(t_1-t_2)f(t_1)f(t_2)}\right |=\frac{|f(t_2)-f(t_1)|}{|t_1-t_2||f(t_1)||f(t_2)|}$$ Since $f$ is continuous we get that $|f(t_2)-f(t_1)|\leq C|t_2-t_1|\Rightarrow \frac{|f(t_2)-f(t_1)|}{|t_2-t_1|}\leq C$. So we get $$\left |\frac{\frac{1}{f(t_1)}-\frac{1}{f(t_2)}}{t_1-t_2}\right |\leq C\cdot \frac{1}{|f(t_1)||f(t_2)|}$$ Is everything correct so far? How could we continue?

(Wondering)
 
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mathmari said:
Hey! :o

We have the initital value problem $$\begin{cases}y'(t)=1/f(t, y(t)) \\ y(t_0)=y_0\end{cases} \ \ \ \ \ (1)$$ where the function $f:\mathbb{R}^2\rightarrow (0,\infty)$ is continuous in $\mathbb{R}^2$ and continuously differentiable as for $y$ in a domain that contains the point $(t_0, y_0)$.

Show that there exists $h>0$ such that the following two conditions are satisfied:
  • The problem (1) has a solution $\phi=\phi(t)$ that is defined at least for each $t\in (t_0-h, t_0+h)$.
  • In the interval $(t_0-h, t_0+h)$ there is no other solution of the problem (1). (i.e. if a function $\psi$ is a solution of the problem (1), then $\psi (t)=\phi (t)$, if $t\in (t_0-h, t_0+h)$)
For the first point we use the existence theorem, or not?

We have that $f$ is continuous, then $\frac{1}{f}$ is also continuous, since it doesn't get the value $0$. Is this correct?

We consider a region $R=\left \{(t,y) : |t-t_0|\leq a, \ |y-y_0|\leq b\right \}$ with $a,b>0$.

Do we have to show that $\frac{1}{f}$ is bounded in $R$ ?

Because then the IVP (1) would have at least one solution $\phi = \phi (t)$ defined in the interval $|t − t_0| \leq h$ where $h=\min \left \{a, \frac{b}{K}\right \}$, where $K$ is the maximum value of $\frac{1}{f}$ in $R$, or not?

(Wondering) For the second time we use the uniqueness theorem, or not?

Do we have to use for that the Lipschitz condition?

We have that $$\left |\frac{\frac{1}{f(t_1)}-\frac{1}{f(t_2)}}{t_1-t_2}\right |=\left |\frac{\frac{f(t_2)-f(t_1)}{f(t_1)f(t_2)}}{t_1-t_2}\right |=\left |\frac{f(t_2)-f(t_1)}{(t_1-t_2)f(t_1)f(t_2)}\right |=\frac{|f(t_2)-f(t_1)|}{|t_1-t_2||f(t_1)||f(t_2)|}$$ Since $f$ is continuous we get that $|f(t_2)-f(t_1)|\leq C|t_2-t_1|\Rightarrow \frac{|f(t_2)-f(t_1)|}{|t_2-t_1|}\leq C$. So we get $$\left |\frac{\frac{1}{f(t_1)}-\frac{1}{f(t_2)}}{t_1-t_2}\right |\leq C\cdot \frac{1}{|f(t_1)||f(t_2)|}$$ Is everything correct so far? How could we continue?

(Wondering)

Hey mathmari!

The Picard–Lindelöf theorem states:
Consider the initial value problem
$$y'(t)=f(t,y(t)),\qquad y(t_0)=y_0$$
Suppose  f  is uniformly Lipschitz continuous in y (meaning the Lipschitz constant can be taken independent of t) and continuous in t. Then, for some value ε > 0, there exists a unique solution y(t) to the initial value problem on the interval $[t_{0}-\varepsilon ,t_{0}+\varepsilon ]$.


So if we can satisfy those conditions we have the proof for both bullet points don't we? (Wondering)

Since the $f$ of the problem statement is continuously differentiable, it follows that $\frac 1f$ is as well on a sufficiently small interval (inverse function theorem), doesn't it? (Wondering)

And if $\frac 1 f$ is differentiable on a closed interval, it's Lipschitz continuous, isn't it? (Wondering)
 
mathmari said:
Do we have to use for that the Lipschitz condition?

We have that $$\left |\frac{\frac{1}{f(t_1)}-\frac{1}{f(t_2)}}{t_1-t_2}\right |=\left |\frac{\frac{f(t_2)-f(t_1)}{f(t_1)f(t_2)}}{t_1-t_2}\right |=\left |\frac{f(t_2)-f(t_1)}{(t_1-t_2)f(t_1)f(t_2)}\right |=\frac{|f(t_2)-f(t_1)|}{|t_1-t_2||f(t_1)||f(t_2)|}$$ Since $f$ is continuous we get that $|f(t_2)-f(t_1)|\leq C|t_2-t_1|\Rightarrow \frac{|f(t_2)-f(t_1)|}{|t_2-t_1|}\leq C$. So we get $$\left |\frac{\frac{1}{f(t_1)}-\frac{1}{f(t_2)}}{t_1-t_2}\right |\leq C\cdot \frac{1}{|f(t_1)||f(t_2)|}$$ Is everything correct so far? How could we continue?

Don't we already have what we need for Lipschitz continuity?
$f$ is known to be a positive function, so $f(t_1)$ is greater than some positive value isn't it? (Wondering)
 
mathmari said:
Hey! :o

We have the initital value problem $$\begin{cases}y'(t)=1/f(t, y(t)) \\ y(t_0)=y_0\end{cases} \ \ \ \ \ (1)$$ where the function $f:\mathbb{R}^2\rightarrow (0,\infty)$ is continuous in $\mathbb{R}^2$ and continuously differentiable as for $y$ in a domain that contains the point $(t_0, y_0)$.

Show that there exists $h>0$ such that the following two conditions are satisfied:
  • The problem (1) has a solution $\phi=\phi(t)$ that is defined at least for each $t\in (t_0-h, t_0+h)$.
  • In the interval $(t_0-h, t_0+h)$ there is no other solution of the problem (1). (i.e. if a function $\psi$ is a solution of the problem (1), then $\psi (t)=\phi (t)$, if $t\in (t_0-h, t_0+h)$)
For the first point we use the existence theorem, or not?

We have that $f$ is continuous, then $\frac{1}{f}$ is also continuous, since it doesn't get the value $0$. Is this correct?
Where does it say that f(x) is not 0 on this interval?
 
Country Boy said:
Where does it say that f(x) is not 0 on this interval?

$f:\mathbb R^2→(0,∞)$
 

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