Expanding Powers of 1/R - Modern Quantum Mechanics by JJ Sakurai

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The discussion revolves around expanding a mathematical expression in powers of 1/R, as presented in Modern Quantum Mechanics by JJ Sakurai. Participants explore the Taylor series expansion of a specific expression involving vector magnitudes and their relationships, focusing on the theoretical and mathematical implications of such expansions.

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  • One participant seeks assistance in expanding the expression 1/r1 + 1/|R+r2-r1| - 1/|R+r2| - 1/|R-r1| in powers of 1/R, referencing equation 5.3.40 from Sakurai's text.
  • Another participant notes that the Taylor series expansion will diverge if R equals certain vector values, suggesting that the series is most effective when |R| is large.
  • There is a correction regarding the initial term, clarifying that it should be 1/|R|, which impacts the cancellation of terms in the expansion.
  • Participants discuss the process of expanding each term using Taylor series and the implications of vector magnitudes in the context of the expansion.
  • One participant expresses confusion about the meaning of "in powers of R" and seeks clarification on how to apply Taylor series in this context.
  • Another participant provides an alternative approach using a one-dimensional analogy to illustrate the expansion process, emphasizing the geometric series method.
  • There is a discussion about the correct form of the vector length and the necessary adjustments for the expansion, with emphasis on the square in the denominator.

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Participants generally agree on the need for a Taylor series expansion but express differing views on the specifics of the expansion process and the implications of certain terms. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the exact form of the final result and the handling of specific cases.

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Participants highlight potential issues with the expansion, including the dependence on the values of R and the vectors involved, as well as the need for careful handling of terms when applying Taylor series to vector magnitudes.

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Expansion in Powers...

I wish to expand the following in powers of 1/R :


1/r1 + 1/ |R+r2-r1| - 1/ |R+r2| - 1/ |R-r1|


Each r is a vector with x,y,z components indexed as x1,y1 etc. R lies on the z axis so x and y components.

In Modern Quantum Mechanics by JJ Sakurai, equation 5.3.40 is the required result, yet I cannot obtain it. Is it simply Taylor expansion? Id really appreciate if someone could perhaps go thru this with me, as I encounter expansions like this all the time and never really know where to start.

The result is (1/R^3) . (x1x2 +y1y2 - z1z2)

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You want a Taylor series in terms of 1/R. Note that this Taylor series will blow up if R = r1 or R=-r2 or R=r1-r2, which all generate divide by zeroes in the original expression. The series works best for huge |R| - i.e. R is far away from r1, and -r2 - which leads to a quickly converging series.

And I think you meant 1/|R| for the first term in your expression. That way, for huge |R|, the signs will end up cancelling any 1/R's left over in the result. Otherwise there is no possibility of 1/R^3 being the first nonzero Taylor series term!

f(R) = 1/|R| + 1/ |R+r2-r1| - 1/ |R+r2| - 1/ |R-r1|

I'll work on the problem assuming R > 0 since this is difficult to write :(

Each term can be expanded out in terms of R similar to how you can expand (1+x)^p = 1 + px + p(p-1)x^2/2 +...:

1/|R| = 1/R
1/|R+r2-r1| = 1/sqrt(R*R + (r2-r1)*(r2-r1) + 2R*(r2z-r1z))
=1/R * (1+(r2-r1)*(r2-r1)/R^2+2(r2z-r1z)/R)^(-1/2)=1/R - ((r2-r1)*(r2-r1)/R^2+2(r2z-r1z)/R)/(2R) + ...
1/|R+r2| = 1/R - (r2*r2/R^2+2r2z/R)/(2R) + ...
1/ |R-r1| = 1/R - (r1*r1/R^2-2r1z/R)/(2R) + ...

combining, you get
f(R) = 1/R + 1/R - ((r2-r1)*(r2-r1)/R^2+2(r2z-r1z)/R)/(2R) + ...
- 1/R + (r2*r2/R^2+2r2z/R)/(2R) + ...
- 1/R + (r1*r1/R^2-2r1z/R)/(2R) + ...

the 1/R's cancel out to get
f(R) = 1/(2R) [- ((r2-r1)*(r2-r1)/R^2+2(r2z-r1z)/R) + ...
(r2*r2/R^2+2r2z/R) + ...
+ (r1*r1/R^2-2r1z/R) + ...]

The effectively 1/R^2 terms cancel as well leaving 1/R^3 terms:
f(R) = 1/(2R) [- ((r2-r1)*(r2-r1)/R^2) + r2*r2/R^2 + (r1*r1/R^2 + ...]
= 1/(2R^3) [- (r2-r1)*(r2-r1) + r2*r2 + r1*r1+ ...]
= 1/(2R^3) [2r2r1]
=(r2 dot r1)/R^3

Um.. this isn't quite the result you expected but it's very close. I think if you expand the (1+x)^(-1/2) power series above one further term you'll get an additional 1/R^3 contribution and the right result.

Hope this helps.

Edit: BTW the case with R < 0 is easy to handle. If R < 0, then you can perform the transformation R->-R, r1->-r2, r2->-r1 to get to the above problem with R > 0, use the above solution, and then transform back (which leaves the above solution unchanged). Thus you can see the same solution solves the R < 0 case.
 
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I cannot thank you enough for expanding that out for me, it was hard work!


Yes, its 1/R, that was a typo. Thanks again, I am extremely greatful!


Now, I understand expansions, but I don't get the "in powers of R" part...what does this entail exactly?
 
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I guess I'm stuck at the first part...


Rite, so for example, 1/ | R-r1| is equal to ( R - r1 )^(-1/2), ie. just the length of the vector.

So then I have to expand this out in terms of R right? How do I do this? I can use Taylor series for expanding out differentiable functions around a point, but I just don't see how one applies it here?
 


>"in powers of R" part...

I'm not sure what you are asking exactly.

If you use a one-dimensional equivalent to your original problem, it of course becomes much easier:
f(R) = 1/R + 1/ (R+r2-r1) - 1/(R+r2) - 1/(R-r1)

You can use the geometric series to do this expansion. The idea is that (1+x+x^2+x^3+...) * (1-x) = 1. Try mutliplying these yourself and you'll see all the terms drop out except for 1. Thus 1/(1-x) = 1 + x + x^2 + x^3 + ...
And negating x yields 1/(1+x) = 1 - x + x^2 - x^3 + ...

Then expanding each of the four terms, we have
f(R) = 1/R * (1 + 1/ (1+(r2-r1)/R) - 1/(1+r2/R) - 1/(1-r1/R))
= 1/R * [
1 +
1 - (r2-r1)/R + (r2-r1)^2/R^2 - (r2-r1)^3/R^3 + ...
-1 + r2/R + r2^2/R^2 - r2^3/R^3 + ...
-1 - r1/R - r1^2/R^2 - r1^3/R^3 -...
]

and summing all these terms you can see how the expression expands as powers of 1/R: the powers R^-1, R^-2, etc.

Since you are using the vector magnitude (|| symbol), which involves a square root, you can't use the easy technique above based on 1/(1-x). You instead must contend with (1-x)^(-1/2).

Fortunately, there is a Taylor series expansion for (1+x)^p where p is any number. It is 1 + px + p(p-1)x^2/2! + p(p-1)(p-2)x^3/3! + ... That's what I used above, although I only computed it for a couple of terms and not long enough to get the full 1/R^3 result.
You can see that my expansion for (1+x)^p is correct because if you differentiate it, it has the same result as multiplying by p/(1+x).
 


>( R - r1 )^(-1/2), ie. just the length of the vector.
>So then I have to expand this out in terms of R right?

You're missing a square there.
It's really ((R - r1)^2) ^ (-1/2) = (RxRx+RyRy+RzRz + r1xr1x + r1yr1y+r1zr1z - 2Rxr1x - 2Ryr1y - 2Rzr1z)^(-1/2)
Since we have Rx=Ry=0 and we're just calling R=Rz, it is
(RR + r1xr1x + r1yr1y-r1zr1z - 2Rzr1z)^(-1/2)
Assume R > 0, then it's
=(1/R) * (1 + r1xr1x/R^2 + r1yr1y-r1zr1z/R^2 - 2zr1z/R)^(-1/2)
We now have something in the form of (1+x)^p = 1 +px +p(p-1)x^2/2 + ...
Unfortunately the x in the case contains powers of 1/R and 1/R^2. Which means computing x^2 and higher powers of x will have a few terms. But it can still be done.
 

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