Expansion of a local dissipation function

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The discussion revolves around the maximum dissipation principle within the context of finite strain theory, specifically focusing on the mathematical relationship involving the dissipation function and its equivalence under certain conditions.

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  • One participant presents a dissipation function defined in terms of the Kirchhoff stress tensor, Eulerian deformation rate, and free energy, and seeks clarification on a specific mathematical equality related to this function.
  • The participant questions the validity of the equality involving the derivatives of the free energy with respect to the left Cauchy-Green tensor and the spatial velocity gradient.
  • Another participant suggests a potential oversight regarding the transposition of the spatial velocity gradient, proposing that one of the transposes might actually be the gradient itself.

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Participants express uncertainty regarding the mathematical equality in question, with no consensus reached on its validity or the reasoning behind it.

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Hello everyone,

I'm studying the finite strain theory and have come across the maximum dissipation principle. It implies a dissipation function defined as
[itex]D=\tau:d-\dfrac{d\Psi}{dt}[/itex]​
[itex]\tau[/itex] denotes the Kirchhoff stress tensor, [itex]d[/itex] the eulerian deformation rate and [itex]\Psi=\Psi(b_e,\xi)[/itex] the free energy, [itex]b_e[/itex] the left Cauchy-Green tensor, and [itex]\xi[/itex] an internal variable.
I quiet understood the physics but there is a mathematical relation that I don't understand. Given the above definition, we claim in a book that
[itex]D=\Big (\tau-2\dfrac{\partial \Psi}{\partial b_e}b_e \Big) : d + 2\dfrac{\partial \Psi}{\partial b_e}b_e : \Big ( -\dfrac{1}{2} L_v(b_e) b_e^{-1} \Big )-\dfrac{\partial \Psi }{\partial \xi} \dfrac{d\xi}{dt}[/itex]​
where [itex]d[/itex] is the symmetric part of the spatial velocity gradient [itex]L[/itex] and [itex]L_v(b_e)[/itex] denotes the Lie derivative of [itex]b_e[/itex]. We can show that
[itex]\dfrac{d}{dt}b_e=Lb_e+b_eL^t+L_v(b_e)[/itex]​
thus the both expressions given to [itex]D[/itex] are equal if and only if [itex]\dfrac{\partial \Psi}{\partial b_e}:b_e L^t=\dfrac{\partial \Psi}{\partial b_e }:L^t b_e[/itex], but how can this last equality be true :confused: ?
I can't tell why, if you do please share it :wink:

Regards.
 
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I'm sorry you are not generating any responses at the moment. Is there any additional information you can share with us? Any new findings?
 
Not yet I'm afraid. I have a book on line that states that, but I just can't figure it out yet !
 
I wasn't able to show that last equality either. But, are you sure that one of those L transposes is not an L? Just a thought.

Chet
 

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