Expectation and Standard Deviation(SD)

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The discussion revolves around the properties of expectation and standard deviation in relation to stochastic variables, specifically examining the implications of the condition X1 ≤ X2 on E[X1] and SD[X2].

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  • Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking, Exploratory

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  • Participants explore whether the condition X1 ≤ X2 implies E[X1] ≤ E[X2] and question the relationship regarding standard deviation. Some express uncertainty about the standard deviation's behavior under this condition and seek examples to illustrate their points.

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There is ongoing exploration of definitions and properties related to expectation and standard deviation. Some participants suggest starting with definitions to clarify the relationships, while others are considering specific examples to test their hypotheses. Multiple interpretations of the implications of the stochastic variables are being discussed.

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Participants are discussing the definitions of stochastic variables and the conditions under which the relationships between expectation and standard deviation hold. There is a focus on both discrete and continuous cases, and some participants express uncertainty about the implications of their assumptions.

helix999
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Hi

I have a question.

Let X1 & X2 be stochastic variables and X1<=X2, then can we say E[X1]<=E[X2] or SD[X1]<=SD[X2]? why or why not?

Looking forward to some reply

Thanks!
 
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what do you think?

and by X1 <=X2, does this mean every outcome of X1 is <= every outcome of X2?
 
yeah, the given condition is for every outcome.
I think E[x1]<=E[x2] but no idea abt std deviation. i don't know if i am correct.
 
helix999 said:
I think E[x1]<=E[x2]

Could you prove it?


helix999 said:
but no idea abt std deviation. i don't know if i am correct.

If you think that the relation does not always hold for standard deviation, could you perhaps find variables X and Y for which this is the case?
 
its always a good place to start at the defintions (either discrete or continuous will work)

from the definitions, E[X1]<= E[X2] shoudl be obvious


for the standard deviation, building on clamtrox's argument, it might help to consider the dsicrete variable pdf:
P(X2= x2) = 1, if x2 = b
P(X2= x2) = 0, otherwise
whats the standard deviation of this "random" variable?
 
consider X1 and X2 with distributions
<br /> \begin{tabular}{l c c c c c}<br /> x &amp; 10 &amp; 20 &amp; 30 &amp; 40 &amp; 50 \\<br /> p(x) &amp; .80 &amp; .1 &amp; .07 &amp; .02 &amp; .01\\<br /> \end{tabular}
 
lanedance said:
its always a good place to start at the defintions (either discrete or continuous will work)

from the definitions, E[X1]<= E[X2] shoudl be obvious


for the standard deviation, building on clamtrox's argument, it might help to consider the dsicrete variable pdf:
P(X2= x2) = 1, if x2 = b
P(X2= x2) = 0, otherwise
whats the standard deviation of this "random" variable?

zero.
 
yep... just to show for a random variabe the SD, can be quite separate from the mean... hopefully you can thnk of a RV with all lesser outcomes, but non-zero SD

though i hope i haven't simplified too much, what exactly do you mean by a stochastic variable here...?
 
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statdad said:
consider X1 and X2 with distributions
<br /> \begin{tabular}{l c c c c c}<br /> x &amp; 10 &amp; 20 &amp; 30 &amp; 40 &amp; 50 \\<br /> p(x) &amp; .80 &amp; .1 &amp; .07 &amp; .02 &amp; .01\\<br /> \end{tabular}
<br /> <br /> ok i got the examples when SD[x1]&lt;=SD[x2]. But when SD[x1&gt;=Sd[x2]?
 

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