Expectation Value for Gaussian Wave Packet.

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The discussion revolves around calculating the expectation value for a Gaussian wave packet represented by the wave function \(\psi(x) = Ne^{-\frac{(x-x_0)^2}{2k^2}}\). Participants are exploring the integral involved in this calculation and discussing the properties of Gaussian integrals.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the need for a substitution to simplify the integral and consider the symmetry of the integrand. There are questions about the legality of manipulating the integral and whether the approach leads to the correct expectation value.

Discussion Status

Some participants have provided guidance on the integral and confirmed the form of the expectation value. There is an ongoing exploration of the mathematical details, with participants correcting each other's notation and discussing the implications of their findings.

Contextual Notes

Participants mention issues with LaTeX formatting and the need for clarity in mathematical expressions. There is also a focus on ensuring that the integrals are set up correctly before proceeding with further calculations.

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Homework Statement



Calculate <x> for the Gaussian wave packet \psi(x)=Ne<sup>-(x-x<sub>0</sub>)/2k<sup>2</sup></sup>

Homework Equations



\left\langle x \right\rangle = \int dx x|\psi(x)|<sup>2</sup>

The Attempt at a Solution



So I've been reviewing for the up-coming midterm and I've had the painful realization that I'm basically killing myself with basic issues; in this case solving the integral.

\left\langle x \right\rangle = \int dx x|\psi(x)|<sup>2</sup><br /> = \int dx x|Ne<sup>-(x-x<sub>0</sub>)/2k<sup>2</sup></sup>|<sup>2</sup><br /> =N<sup>2</sup>\int dx x|e<sup>-(x-x<sub>0</sub>)/2k<sup>2</sup></sup>|<sup>2</sup>

It's at this point that I know there a u substitution to be made (at least I'm pretty sure that's the best way to solve the integral), but I'm not exactly sure for which value? Is there a better way to solve this integral?

Thanks for any pointers!
 
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Let u=x-x_o.

That should give you two terms that both proportional to standard Gaussian integrals. Consider the symmetry of the integrand and the solution shouldn't be hard to come by.
 
Ah, ok. Since the other expectation values are next on the block, and I can screw up any given integral is the following mathematically "legal"?

=N<sup>2</sup>\intdxx|e<sup>-(x-x0)/2k<sup>2</sup></sup>|<sup>2</sup>
=N<sup>2</sup>\intdux|e<sup>-u/2k<sup>2</sup></sup>|\intdu|e<sup>-u/2k<sup>2</sup></sup>|
=N<sup>2</sup>x\intdu|e<sup>-u/2k<sup>2</sup></sup>|\intdu|e<sup>-u/2k<sup>2</sup></sup>|
 
Am I way off or does this come out to be <x>=x0?
 
atomicpedals said:
Am I way off or does this come out to be <x>=x0?

That's the answer.

Your Latex is not formatted correctly, so just to make sure that we are on the same page, this is the type of integral we are considering:

&lt;x^n&gt;=\int dx x^n e^{\frac{-2(x-x_o)^2}{2k^2}}

Correct? Quote my post to see how I coded the above equation.
 
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Yep, that's the one! (sorry about that, Latex and I have a sordid history of being hit or miss)
 
Oops, I actually forgot a square in the numerator. Check that integral again and make sure it's still right.
 
There should also be a negative sign, using numerical syntax:

int(x^n*exp[(-(x-x0)^2)/(k^2))]dx).
 
atomicpedals said:
There should also be a negative sign, using numerical syntax:

int(x^n*exp[(-(x-x0)^2)/(k^2))]dx).


Ooops. Yes, of course! Typo#2 corrected.


Now, do you still need advice on finding the other expectation values?
 
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The basic technique is still the same correct? <x^2>=<psi|x^2|psi> or <p>=<psi|p|psi>
 
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atomicpedals said:
The basic technique is still the same correct? <x^2>=<psi|x^2|psi> or <p>=<psi|p|psi>

Yes, the basic idea is the same. Try them out. If you get stuck, feel free to come back and ask for some advice.
 

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