Expectation Value vs Probability Density

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The discussion revolves around the calculation of probability densities for various observables in quantum mechanics, specifically contrasting the expectation value and probability density concepts. Participants explore how to derive probability densities for observables such as momentum and energy, alongside the foundational principles like the Born Rule.

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  • Conceptual clarification
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Main Points Raised

  • One participant notes the established method for calculating the probability density for position as |\Psi|^2 and questions how to extend this to other observables.
  • Another participant states that the method depends on whether the outcomes are continuous and references the Born Rule as a guiding principle.
  • A participant suggests that to find the momentum probability density from \Psi(x), a Fourier transform is necessary, and inquires about the method for energy probability density.
  • One participant proposes restricting the discussion to projective measurements, explaining that the probability of an outcome is related to the square of the projection of the state being measured onto the potential outcome state, reiterating the Born Rule.
  • Another participant mentions that energy probabilities can be derived by expanding the state in terms of energy eigenfunctions, with the probability being the square of the coefficient for the corresponding eigenfunction.
  • A later reply asserts that probabilities can be viewed as expectation values ranging between 0 and 1, framing this as a measurement perspective.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express various methods for calculating probability densities and discuss the implications of the Born Rule, but there is no consensus on a singular approach or resolution of the questions raised.

Contextual Notes

The discussion includes assumptions about the nature of observables and the mathematical frameworks involved, such as the use of Fourier transforms and the concept of projective measurements, which may not be universally applicable without further clarification.

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I know the difference between the expectation value and probability density, but how do you calculate the probability density of an observable other than position? For position, the probability of the particle being in a particular spot is given by |\Psi|^2, which is the probability density, and the average of all those probabilities is given by \int \Psi^*x\Psi correct?

Now for all the other observables (momentum, energy, etc...) the expectation values are straight foward, but how do I calculate the probability densities?

Thanks
 
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So if i were given \Psi(x), to find the momentum probability density I would convert to momentum space using a Fourier transform? What about the energy probability density?
 
Let's restrict to projective measurements for simplicity. The potential outcome is represented by a certain state. The probability of the outcome is the square of the projection of the state being measured onto the state representing the potential outcome. This rule is called the Born rule.

For energy, you can expand the state in terms of energy eigenfunctions. Then the probability of a given energy will be the square of the coefficient for the corresponding eigenfunction.

You will often hear the only expectation values can be predicted in quantum mechanics. Then you will ask why only averages, and not the distributions themselves? For most distributions, one can reconstruct them from the expectation values of their moments or cumulants. This ability to reconstruct distributions from expectation values is why it is often said that only expectation values can be predicted in quantum mechanics.
 
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And a probability is an expectation value of 0 and 1 (this is the way you measure them)
 

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