Expectation values of spin operators

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The discussion revolves around calculating the expectation values of spin operators, specifically Sz, Sx, and Sy, using the spinor representation in quantum mechanics. The original poster attempts to derive the expectation value for Sx and expresses confusion regarding the transition from their intermediate result to the final form presented in lecture notes.

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  • Exploratory, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

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  • The original poster describes their attempts to calculate the expectation values using the formula = <\psi|Si\psi> and raises questions about identities involving complex numbers that may simplify their results.

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Some participants provide hints and engage in clarifying the mathematical relationships between complex numbers, particularly focusing on the properties of complex conjugates. There is an indication of progress as the original poster connects their findings to the expected results, but no explicit consensus or resolution is reached.

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The original poster expresses uncertainty about their understanding of complex identities, which may be impacting their ability to derive the expected forms for the expectation values. The discussion reflects a learning process without definitive conclusions.

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Hi, I've found the expectation value of Sz, which is hbar/2 (|[tex]\psi[/tex]up|2 - |[tex]\psi[/tex]down|2) by using the formula:

<Si> = <[tex]\psi[/tex]|Si[tex]\psi[/tex]> where i can bex, y or z and [tex]\psi[/tex] is the 'spinor' vector.

I tried to find Sx using the same formula, however, I could only get as far as:

hbar/2 (([tex]\psi[/tex]up)*[tex]\psi[/tex]down + ([tex]\psi[/tex]down)*[tex]\psi[/tex]up)

In my lecture notes, it has the (final) answer (only) as hbar Re{([tex]\psi[/tex]up)*[tex]\psi[/tex]down}.

Similarly, for Sy it gives the expectation value of hbar Im{([tex]\psi[/tex]up)*[tex]\psi[/tex]down}.

I'm not sure how to get from my answer for <Sx> to the one in the notes. I'm assuming it's just a lack of knowledge of some identity with complex numbers.

Any help is appreciated, thanks in advance.
 
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Hint: Let [itex]z=x+iy[/itex]. Its conjugate is [itex]\bar{z}=x-iy[/itex]. What are [itex]z+\bar{z}[/itex] and [itex]z-\bar{z}[/itex] equal to?
 
Thanks for the reply.

So, is it just a case of:

<Sx> = [tex]\frac{\hbar}{2}[/tex](([tex]\psi<sub>up</sub>[/tex])*[tex]\psi[/tex]down + ([tex]\psi[/tex]down)*[tex]\psi[/tex]up))

Let z = ([tex]\psi<sub>up</sub>[/tex])*[tex]\psi[/tex]down
Let z* = ([tex]\psi[/tex]down)*[tex]\psi[/tex]up)

z+z* = 2Re(z)

Therefore, [tex]\left\langle[/tex]Sx[tex]\right\rangle[/tex] = 2Re(z).

This is why I hate LaTeX!

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<S_x> = (hbar/2)((psi-up)*(psi-down) + (psi-down)*(psi-up))

Let z = (psi-up)*(psi-down)
Let z* = (psi-down)*(psi-up)

z+z* = 2Re(z)

Therefore <S_x> = 2Re((psi-up)*(psi-down))

Thank you.
 
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