Expected values of random variables

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The discussion revolves around the concept of expected values of random variables, specifically addressing the definitions and interpretations of mean and expectation in the context of probability theory. Participants are seeking clarification on the proof related to these concepts and the definitions involved.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses confusion about a specific proof related to expected values and seeks advice.
  • Another participant states that a random variable X1 has a mean μ by definition and asks for clarification on the confusion.
  • A participant questions where the definition of μ as the mean of X1 is established and whether it is part of the definition of 'Expectation'.
  • Some participants suggest discussing the definitions of X1 and μ to clarify the concepts further.
  • One participant provides a formula for μ as the average of a set of values and distinguishes between μ and the sample mean \overline{X}.
  • A participant gives an example involving coin flips to illustrate the difference between the expected value of a random variable and the average of observed outcomes.

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Participants do not appear to reach a consensus, as there are differing interpretations of the definitions of mean and expectation, and the discussion remains unresolved regarding the proof in question.

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There are missing assumptions regarding the definitions of random variables and expected values, and the discussion relies on the clarity of these definitions, which has not been fully established.

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I don't completely understand why the area of the proof circled in red is true.

Any advice would be appreciated.

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X1 is a random variable whose mean is \mu by definition. Can you elaborate on your confusion?
 
Office_Shredder said:
X1 is a random variable whose mean is \mu by definition. Can you elaborate on your confusion?

Where is this defined ? Is is part of the definition of 'Expectation' ?
 
Why don't you tell us what you think X1 is, and what \mu is, and we can work from there.
 
Office_Shredder said:
Why don't you tell us what you think X1 is, and what \mu is, and we can work from there.

μ=\frac{\sum X_i}{N}

x_1 is just a variable
 
sid9221 said:
μ=\frac{\sum X_i}{N}

No, the thing on the right hand side is \overline{X}, not \mu. To give an example, suppose I flip ten coins, and assign a value of 1 to a heads, and 0 to a tails. I might get the following:

1,0,0,1,0,0,1,0,1,0.

\mu in this context is the expected value of a single flip of the coin, which is .5. \overline{X} is the average of the flips I actually made, which is .4. X1 is the value of the first flip, which in this case happens to be 1, but hopefully it's clear that E(X1) = .5 before I actually flip the coin since X1 is just an arbitrary flip of the coin.
 

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