Experiment, magnetic forces between current-carrying wires

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The discussion revolves around an experiment involving magnetic forces between current-carrying coils. The setup includes a coil on a weighing scale connected to a variable resistor and power supply, and another fixed coil above it. Participants are exploring the effects of current direction and resistance on the weight reading of the scale.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Conceptual clarification

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants are attempting to understand how changes in resistance affect the weight reading on the scale and whether the magnetic force between the coils is attractive or repulsive. There are questions about the direction of current flow in both coils and its implications for the magnetic interaction.

Discussion Status

Some participants have provided analogies to bar magnets to clarify the nature of the forces involved, while others emphasize the need to determine the current direction in the coils before drawing conclusions about the magnetic forces. There is an ongoing exploration of the relationship between current direction and the resulting magnetic forces.

Contextual Notes

Participants are working with incomplete information regarding the direction of current in the coils, which is critical to understanding the magnetic interactions. The discussion includes hypothetical scenarios to explore the effects of current direction on magnetic forces.

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Homework Statement



There is a coil placed on a very sensitive weighing scale that has a variable resistor attached it to control its current, and is also connected to a power supply. The wires to it have tape to hold them in place. There is another coil held a few millimeters above this coil and fixed in place to the wall, it has current flowing through it, but I don't know which direction it flows in. I also don't know which direction the current flows in the coil that is on the weighing scale.

1) Does decreasing the variable resistor's setting increase or decrease the weight read on the weighing scale? Is the magnetic force attractive or repulsive?

2) Why are the wires with current through them, with which the coil is connected to the resistor and power supply, taped?

3) If the weight decreases as current increases, is the magnetic force attractive or repulsive?

Homework Equations



Decreasing the resistance increases the current.
Magnetic force on a current carrying wire F = ILB
Magnetic field produced by a straight wire (but I have a coil) B = u0*I/(2*pi*r)

The Attempt at a Solution



If the magnetic force exerted by current-carrying wire coil is attractive towards the fixed coil above it, it will counteract gravity slightly and decrease the weight reading on the weighing scale. But I don't know whether force exerted by the current-carrying coil on the weighing scale is attractive or repulsive to the fixed coil above it.

The wires are taped to stop the magnetic field exerted by the current-carrying coil from moving them.

If the weight decreases, the magnetic force is attractive (i.e. pulls upwards).
 
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In bar magnets, the attractive force is between opposite poles, so I suppose that the force is attractive, but the issue is that I don't know which direction the current flows in the top coil.
 
Two bar magnet ends attract when their magnetization currents flow the same way, likewise coil ends that carry current in the same direction will attract.
 
Yes, but to solve my problem, I first need to know if the current in both coils is in the same direction, or if one is going the opposite way. :smile:

Edit: The question in which it results that they are attractive (3) is a hypothetical question that is separate from (1).
 
If the weight of the one coil is reduced then the currents go in the same direction.
 

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