Experimental Error on a quadratic

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Discussion Overview

The discussion centers on deriving the error of a quadratic equation as a function of x, specifically in the context of error propagation when variables a, b, c, and y have associated uncertainties. The scope includes mathematical reasoning and error analysis.

Discussion Character

  • Mathematical reasoning
  • Technical explanation
  • Exploratory

Main Points Raised

  • One participant seeks to derive the error in x from the quadratic equation y=ax²+bx+c, noting the associated errors in variables a, b, c, and y.
  • Another participant mentions that the error propagation becomes more complex if there are correlations between the uncertainties of a, b, and c.
  • A participant clarifies that the method referenced in the links pertains to curve fitting, while their focus is on finding the error in x given that only y is measured.
  • It is suggested that the error in x will indeed follow the propagation of errors formula, and using software like Mathematica or Maple could facilitate the calculations, although simplification may not be guaranteed.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree that the error propagation formula applies to the situation, but there is no consensus on the best approach to handle the complexities introduced by correlations among the variables' uncertainties.

Contextual Notes

Participants note the potential complications arising from correlations between the errors of the variables, which may affect the propagation of errors calculation.

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Hello,
I'm looking to derive the error of a quadratic equation as a function of x.

y=ax2+bx+c

y is measured and variables a,b,c have an associated error Da,Db,Dc

To solve for x you complete the square.

[tex]x=&\pm\sqrt{\dfrac{y-c}{a}+\dfrac{b^{2}}{4a^{2}}}\mp\dfrac{b}{2a}[/tex]

If the variables y,c and b had an assoicated error Dy,Dc and Db.

Then the error would be Dx squared would be the sum of partial derivatives with respect to each variable times by the error on the variable all squared?
[tex]\left(\Delta x\,\right)^{2}=\left(\dfrac{\partial x}{\partial a}\Delta a\right)^{2}+\left(\dfrac{\partial x}{\partial b}\Delta b\right)^{2}+...[/tex]

It seems quite hairy to go though and I was curious if anyone knew a better way to do it or anyone else who has done it?
 
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Thanks for the reply.

If i understand what your getting at then the method in the links are used when fitting a curve to data points.

The only measured value is y and I am looking for the error in x.
a,b,c have one variable in common but also other variables. All the variables have an Error associated with them.
 
If x is a function of a, b, c, and y, and if all four (a, b, c, y) have some error associated with them then the error of x will be given by the "hairy" propagation of errors formula that you posted. If you have access to Mathematica or Maple it should not be very difficult to do, but don't expect it to simplify too much, particularly if there are any correlations in the errors.
 
Thanks for the comments ppl!
 

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