Explain Adjoint of Commutator Identity in Second Quantization

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The discussion revolves around the adjoint of the commutator identity in the context of second quantization, specifically examining the relationship between the adjoint of the (anti-)commutator of creation operators and the (anti-)commutator of annihilation operators. Participants explore the implications of this identity and its validity under certain conditions.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions the identity ([a_1^{\dagger},a_2^{\dagger}]_{\mp})^{\dagger}=[a_1,a_2]_{\mp}, noting that their derivation leads to a different result for the commutator case.
  • Another participant agrees with the derivation presented, suggesting that it appears correct.
  • A later reply proposes a reasoning that connects the adjoint of the commutator to the negative of the commutator of the original operators, indicating a potential misunderstanding of the identity's application.
  • One participant clarifies that the identity only holds under specific conditions related to the nature of the operators involved (creation/annihilation operators for fermions or bosons), suggesting that the general case may not apply.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the validity of the identity in question, with some supporting the derivation while others highlight limitations based on the type of operators involved. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the general applicability of the identity.

Contextual Notes

The discussion indicates that the identity may depend on the specific properties of creation and annihilation operators, particularly in relation to fermionic and bosonic statistics, which may not be universally applicable.

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Hi all.

I found the following identity in a textbook on second quantization:

[tex]([a_1^{\dagger},a_2^{\dagger}]_{\mp})^{\dagger}=[a_1,a_2]_{\mp}[/tex]

but why?

[tex]([a_1^{\dagger},a_2^{\dagger}]_{\mp})^{\dagger}=(a_1^{\dagger}a_2^{\dagger}\mp a_2^{\dagger}a_1^{\dagger})^{\dagger}=a_2a_1\mp a_1a_2[/tex]

and in the case of the commutator (and not the anticommutator) this isn't the result mentioned in the book.

i would be glad if someone can explain. thanks.
 
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tommy01 said:
[tex]([a_1^{\dagger},a_2^{\dagger}]_{\mp})^{\dagger}=(a_1^{\dagger}a_2^{\dagger}\mp a_2^{\dagger}a_1^{\dagger})^{\dagger}=a_2a_1\mp a_1a_2[/tex]

This looks fine to me
 
tommy01 said:
Hi all.

I found the following identity in a textbook on second quantization:

[tex]([a_1^{\dagger},a_2^{\dagger}]_{\mp})^{\dagger}=[a_1,a_2]_{\mp}[/tex]

but why?

[tex]([a_1^{\dagger},a_2^{\dagger}]_{\mp})^{\dagger}=(a_1^{\dagger}a_2^{\dagger}\mp a_2^{\dagger}a_1^{\dagger})^{\dagger}=a_2a_1\mp a_1a_2[/tex]

and in the case of the commutator (and not the anticommutator) this isn't the result mentioned in the book.

i would be glad if someone can explain. thanks.


Well, my best guess is that

[tex] [A,B]^{\dagger} = (AB - BA)^{\dagger} = B^{\dagger}A^{\dagger}-A^{\dagger}B^{\dagger} = [B^{\dagger},A^{\dagger}] = -[A^{\dagger},B^{\dagger}][/tex]

So

[tex] [A^{\dagger},B^{\dagger}]^{\dagger} = - [A,B][/tex]

what you also wrote down. Which textbook are you referring to?
 
Thanks for your replies.

I found the problem. The identity only holds for the special case of creation-/annihilation-operators, where the (anti-)commutator for fermions or bosons resplectively is zero.

thanks and greetings.
 

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