Second Quantization: Explaining c^\dagger_ic_j = \delta_{i,j}c_jc^\dagger_i

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Discussion Overview

The discussion centers on the relationship between fermionic creation and annihilation operators, specifically the expression c^\dagger_ic_j = \delta_{i,j}c_jc^\dagger_i. Participants explore its origins, implications, and related expressions involving anti-commutators and commutators in the context of fermionic and bosonic operators.

Discussion Character

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  • Debate/contested
  • Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions the validity of the expression c^\dagger_ic_j = \delta_{i,j}c_jc^\dagger_i and seeks clarification on its derivation, suggesting it may not stem from anti-commutator relations.
  • Another participant asserts that the lecturer is incorrect regarding the expression.
  • There is a proposal that the lecturer might have meant a different expression related to bosonic operators, specifically c^*_ic_j = \delta_{i,j}+c_jc^*_i.
  • Further clarification is provided that the correct relation for bosons should include a negative sign: c^*_ic_j = -\delta_{i,j}+c_jc^*_i.
  • A participant raises a separate question about the anti-commutator relation involving time-dependent operators and suggests a method for demonstrating it, while another participant cautions against distinguishing cases in a simplistic manner, emphasizing the need for integration in the context of distributions.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express disagreement regarding the validity of the original expression and its interpretation. Multiple competing views exist about the correct formulation and the application of anti-commutator and commutator relations.

Contextual Notes

There are unresolved assumptions regarding the definitions and contexts of the operators discussed, as well as the implications of the expressions in terms of fermionic and bosonic statistics.

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Hi

Say I have the following two fermionic creation/annihilation operators

[tex] c^\dagger_ic_j[/tex]

1) Yesterday, my lecturer said that the following is valid

[tex] c^\dagger_ic_j = \delta_{i,j}c_jc^\dagger_i[/tex]

Can you guys explain to me, where this formula comes from? I originally thought that it was one of the anti-commutator relations, but it cannot come from there.
2) Say I have en expression of the form

[tex] c_{k+q}^\dagger c_{k-q'} c^\dagger_{k'-q'}c_{k'}[/tex]

If the operators are fermionic, then if I want to have all dagger-operators on the LHS and non-dagger operators on the RHS, then do I have to use anti-commutator relatations in order to rewrite the expression?

Likewise, if they were bosonic operators, then I would have to use commutator relations in order to rewrite the expression?Niles.
 
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1) Your lecturer is wrong.

2) Yes.
 
Thank you, it is kind of you to answer so quickly.
 
Niles said:
[tex] c^\dagger_ic_j = \delta_{i,j}c_jc^\dagger_i[/tex]

probably he meant c^*_ic_j = \delta_{i,j}+c_jc^*_i
which is the CCR for bosons.
 
Thanks. I have another question related to fermionic operators, so I'll just ask it here. It is regarding the relation

[tex] \delta (t - t')\left\langle {\left\{ {c_i (t),c_i^\dag (t')} \right\}} \right\rangle = \delta (t - t')[/tex]

The curly brackets denote an anti-commutator. Is there an easy way of showing this? The way I would show this is to look at the case t = t' and the case t != t'.
 
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A. Neumaier said:
probably he meant c^*_ic_j = \delta_{i,j}+c_jc^*_i
which is the CCR for bosons.

Sorry, this is not quite true; [tex]c^*_ic_j = -\delta_{i,j}+c_jc^*_i[/tex]
 
Niles said:
Thanks. I have another question related to fermionic operators, so I'll just ask it here. It is regarding the relation

[tex] \delta (t - t')\left\langle {\left\{ {c_i (t),c_i^\dag (t')} \right\}} \right\rangle = \delta (t - t')[/tex]

The curly brackets denote an anti-commutator. Is there an easy way of showing this? The way I would show this is to look at the case t = t' and the case t != t'.

You cannot distinguish cases in this way since this is meant in the sense of distributions. Thus you need to multiply both sides by a function f(t,t'), integrate over t and t', and simplify before you can interpret the statement.
 

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