Explain why ∑(1+n)/(1+2n) is divergent

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The discussion revolves around the convergence or divergence of the series ∑(1+n)/(1+2n). Participants are examining the behavior of the series as n approaches infinity and the implications of the limit of its terms.

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Conceptual clarification

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants explore the limit of the series terms and question the implications of this limit on convergence. There is an attempt to derive a contradiction based on the definition of convergence, and some participants express confusion over the reasoning used.

Discussion Status

The discussion is active, with participants presenting differing views on the approach to proving divergence. Some guidance is offered regarding the typical method of evaluating the limit of the series terms, and there is acknowledgment of the awkwardness in the original poster's reasoning.

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There is a mention of the epsilon-delta definition of convergence, and some participants note the importance of the limit of the series terms not being zero as a factor in determining divergence.

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Homework Statement



As the title says.

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The Attempt at a Solution



Let Sn = {(1+1)/(1+2) , (1+2)/(1+4), (1+3)/(1+6), ...}. If ∑(1+n)/(1+2n) is convergent, then lim n-->∞ Sn = 0; to put it another way, there exists an N so that whenever n ≤ N,

|(1+n)/(1+2n)|=(1+n)/(1+2n) < ∂ for all ∂ > 0.

(1+n)/(1+2n) < ∂ ----> (1+2n)/(1+n) > 1/∂ ----> 1 + n/(n+1) > 1/∂.

But since n/(n+1) < 1 for all n, the inequality 1 + n/(n+1) < 1/∂ fails when ∂ ≤ 1/2.

Thus the series converges.
 
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But we have

[tex]\lim_{n\rightarrow +\infty}{\frac{1+n}{1+2n}}=\frac{1}{2}[/tex]

So the series diverges...
 
micromass said:
But we have

[tex]\lim_{n\rightarrow +\infty}{\frac{1+n}{1+2n}}=\frac{1}{2}[/tex]

So the series diverges...


Huh?
 
Jamin2112 said:
Huh?

Why "huh?". The limit of the terms in your series isn't zero. Are you trying to derive a contradiction by assuming it is? If so, that's an odd way to go about proving the series doesn't converge.
 
Dick said:
Why "huh?". The limit of the terms in your series isn't zero. Are you trying to derive a contradiction by assuming it is? If so, that's an odd way to go about proving the series doesn't converge.

I thought I did find a contradiction. I assumed it was convergent, then I used the definition of convergence and found a flaw (the "for all epsilon").
 
Jamin2112 said:
I thought I did find a contradiction. I assumed it was convergent, then I used the definition of convergence and found a flaw (the "for all epsilon").

I suppose you could do it that way. It's just awkward. Most people would just compute the limit of the Sn, conclude it's 1/2 and then say the series diverges because 1/2 isn't 0. I don't think you need an epsilon-delta proof here.
 

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