Using a pulley to raise yourself?

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The problem involves a man and a platform with a combined weight of 950N, utilizing a frictionless pulley system. The discussion centers on determining the force the man must exert on the rope to lift himself steadily upward, while also questioning the feasibility of this action.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Problem interpretation

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  • Participants explore the relationship between the force exerted by the man and the tension in the rope, with some questioning whether the tension must equal the total weight of the system. Others discuss the implications of pulling with different forces and the resulting tension in the rope.

Discussion Status

The discussion is active, with participants sharing their reasoning and questioning assumptions about the forces involved. There is a recognition of the need to clarify the relationship between the man's pulling force and the resulting tension in the rope, but no consensus has been reached on the exact force required.

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Participants are grappling with the implications of a frictionless pulley and the weight of the system, as well as the definitions of tension and force in this context. Some assumptions about the mechanics of the system are being examined.

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Homework Statement



In this figure, the man and the platform together weigh 950N. The pulley can be modeled as frictionless. Determine how hard the man has to pull on the rope to lift himself steadily upward above the ground. (Or is it impossible? If so, explain why.)

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My thoughts:
a) If there's a 950N force initially downward and he pulls upward (say 475N), wouldn't the tension in the string still be equal to 950N? In this case, wouldn't the man be pulling upward 475N plus an extra 475N? = impossible.

b) The tension in each string equals the total tension in the system (is this true by the way?), so each string would have a tension of 950/2 = 475N, which is how much the man would have to pull upward. = possible.
 
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What must the tension be in the rope to support the platform plus man?

What is the relationship between the force the man exerts on the rope and the rope tension?
 
Since the man and the platform together weigh 950N (downward force), the tension in the rope must be 950N (upward force).

I'm not quite sure how to go abouts your second question. Isn't the force the man exerts on the rope and the rope tension supposed to be equal?
 
abcdefj said:
Since the man and the platform together weigh 950N (downward force), the tension in the rope must be 950N (upward force).
Good.
I'm not quite sure how to go abouts your second question. Isn't the force the man exerts on the rope and the rope tension supposed to be equal?
Exactly. So how hard does he have to pull?
 
He has to pull 950N. Wow, I was just going in circles there! Thanks :)
 

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