Explaining "If a=1 and b=1: then a squared - 1...

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The discussion revolves around a mathematical expression involving variables a and b, specifically the manipulation of the equation leading to the erroneous conclusion that 2 equals 1. Participants explore the steps taken in the argument and the implications of dividing by zero.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant presents a sequence of algebraic manipulations that leads to the conclusion 2 = 1, starting from the assumption a = 1 and b = 1.
  • Another participant points out that the step involving the cancellation of (a - 1) is problematic because it equates to dividing by zero, which is undefined.
  • A further explanation is provided using a simpler example to illustrate the issue with dividing by zero, reinforcing the argument against the validity of the original manipulation.
  • One participant expresses a realization about the error and indicates a desire to inform others of the mistake.
  • Another participant distinguishes between a "lie" and a "joke," suggesting a nuanced view of the original claim's intent.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the error related to dividing by zero, but there is a lack of consensus on the characterization of the original claim as a "lie" versus a "joke."

Contextual Notes

The discussion highlights the importance of recognizing undefined operations in algebraic manipulations and the potential for misinterpretation in mathematical expressions.

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On another forum, someone had this in a sig:

If a=1 and b=1: then a squared - 1 = ab-b: then (a + 1)(a - 1) = b(a - 1):then a + 1 = b: thus 1 + 1 = 1: as a result 2 = 1

I couldn't follow all of it, could someone explain this to me?
 
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In the step, (a+1)(a-1) = (b)(a-1), one "cancels" the a-1, which in this case in the same as cancelling zero on both sides. You can't cancel zero because, a.0 = b.0 doesn't necessarily mean that a = b.
 
You couldn't follow the work or you don't understand why it works that way?

Here's the work:

a=b=1

a*a-1=a*b-b [since a=b=1]
(a+1)(a-1)=b(a-1) [factoring the right-hand side and factoring a b out of the left-hand side]
a+1=b dividing both sides by a-1[/color]
1+1=1
2=1

The problem is with the line I highlighted in red. You are dividing by a-1, but since a=1 you are actually dividing by zero, which is not defined.

Here's a simpler one to make it easier to see:

5*0=3*0
5=3 ["divide both sides by 0"] - obviously 5 does not equal 3.
 
Oh, ok so they're telling lies sorry I forgot about the division by 0, now I have to go tell them how wrong they are. Thanks.
 
There is a difference between a "lie" and a "joke".
 

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