Explaining Ultimate Factorial Value in x^n Integer Series

Click For Summary

Discussion Overview

The discussion centers around the relationship between the nth difference of a sequence generated by powers of integers and the factorial of the exponent. Participants explore whether there is a proof or explanation for why the nth difference of the series results in n!, and whether this concept is related to calculus and derivatives.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Conceptual clarification
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant describes a process of calculating differences between consecutive powers and suggests that this leads to a constant value that equals n! at a certain level of iteration.
  • Another participant provides a formal definition of the first difference iteration and claims that the nth difference iteration of the list of powers results in n! through an inductive proof involving the binomial theorem.
  • A later post reiterates the inductive proof and details the construction of the difference iterations, emphasizing that the final result of the nth difference is n!.
  • One participant expresses gratitude for the clarification provided by another, indicating that they have been seeking understanding of this relationship for years and plan to discuss it further with a professor.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the relationship between the nth difference and n!, but the discussion does not resolve whether there is a universally accepted proof or explanation for this phenomenon. Some uncertainty remains regarding the implications and understanding of the concept.

Contextual Notes

The discussion involves assumptions about the properties of difference iterations and their dependence on the definitions of the sequences involved. There are unresolved mathematical steps in the inductive proof that may require further clarification.

ershi
Messages
4
Reaction score
0
In the situation where differences between consecutive squares, (or consecutive cubes, consecutive x^4, etc.) are calculated,
then the differences between those differences are calculated, and then the differences of those differences, and so on until you reach a constant number at a deep enough level,
which is equal to n! (n being the exponent that produced the initial numbers)

Is there some type of proof or explanation why it happen to be a factorial value?

Is it involved with calculus, since it is similar to transforming a function into a derivative function, and continuing to find the derivative?

Example:
F(x)=x^5
F'(x)=5x^4
F''(x)=5*4x^3
F'''(x)=5*4*3x^2
F''''(x)=5*4*3*2x
F'''''(x)=5*4*3*2*1=120=5!
 
Physics news on Phys.org
My tex is not working properly, so I have separated what should be in tex but left out the delineating commands so that someone may hopefully be able to present this post with the proper tex.

Given any finite list X(n)_0 = (x_0, x_1, ..., x_n) of at least 2 integers, we define the first difference iteration of X(n)_0 to be the list X(n)_1 = (x_1-x_0, x_2-x_1, ..., x_n-x_{n-1}), and we inductively define the (j+1)st difference iteration of X(n)_0 to be the first difference iteration X(n)_{j+1} of X(n)_j. Note that by this construction, for j between 0 and n, X(n)_j will have length n-j+1.

Let x be any nonnegative integer. We show that for any positive integer n, the nth difference iteration of the list X(n)_0 = (x^n, (x+1)^n, ..., (x+n)^n) is the single number n!.

Let n = 1. Then X(1)_0 = (x, x+1) and X(1)_1 = 1 = 1!.

Assume inductively that for any j between 1 and n-1, the jth difference iteration of the list X(j)_0 = (x^j, (x+1)^j, ..., (x+j)^j) is the single number j!. By the binomial theorem, the first difference iteration of X(n)_0 = (x^n, (x+1)^n, ..., (x+n)^n) is


X(n)_1 = (\sum_{j=0}^{n-1}\begin{pmatrix}n \\ j\end{pmatrix}x^j, \sum_{j=0}^{n-1}\begin{pmatrix}n \\ j\end{pmatrix}(x+1)^j, ..., \sum_{j=0}^{n-1}\begin{pmatrix}n \\ j\end{pmatrix}(x+n-1)^j).


Applying the induction hypothesis, if we write an entry in the kth difference iteration X(n)_k as the summation of n terms a(k)_0, a(k)_1, ..., a(k)_{n-1}, with each a(k)_j consisting of the terms indexed by j in the summations of X(n)_1 appropriately added or subtracted (so that all entries in X(n)_1 have a(1)_0 = 1 and all entries in X(n)_k have a(k)_0 = 0 for k>1), all entries in X(n)_j will have


a(j)_{j-1} = \begin{pmatrix}n \\ j-1\end{pmatrix}(j-1)!.


so all entries in X(n)_k will have a(k)_j = 0 for k > j+1. Thus the nth difference iteration X(n)_n will be left with the single term


a(n)_{n-1} = \begin{pmatrix}n \\ n-1\end{pmatrix}(n-1)! = n!.
 
Now it seems to be kind of working.

Given any finite list X(n)_0 = (x_0, x_1, ..., x_n) of at least 2 integers, we define the first difference iteration of X(n)_0 to be the list X(n)_1 = (x_1-x_0, x_2-x_1, ..., x_n-x_{n-1}), and we inductively define the (j+1)st difference iteration of X(n)_0 to be the first difference iteration X(n)_{j+1} of X(n)_j. Note that by this construction, for j between 0 and n, X(n)_j will have length n-j+1.

Let x be any nonnegative integer. We show that for any positive integer n, the nth difference iteration of the list X(n)_0 = (x^n, (x+1)^n, ..., (x+n)^n) is the single number n!.

Let n = 1. Then X(1)_0 = (x, x+1) and X(1)_1 = 1 = 1!.

Assume inductively that for any j between 1 and n-1, the jth difference iteration of the list X(j)_0 = (x^j, (x+1)^j, ..., (x+j)^j) is the single number j!. By the binomial theorem, the first difference iteration of X(n)_0 = (x^n, (x+1)^n, ..., (x+n)^n) is

[tex] X(n)_1 = (\sum_{j=0}^{n-1}\begin{pmatrix}n \\ j\end{pmatrix}x^j, \sum_{j=0}^{n-1}\begin{pmatrix}n \\ j\end{pmatrix}(x+1)^j, ..., \sum_{j=0}^{n-1}\begin{pmatrix}n \\ j\end{pmatrix}(x+n-1)^j).[/tex]

Applying the induction hypothesis, if we write an entry in the kth difference iteration X(n)_k as the summation of n terms a(k)_0, a(k)_1, ..., a(k)_{n-1}, with each a(k)_j consisting of the terms indexed by j in the summations of X(n)_1 appropriately added or subtracted (so that all entries in X(n)_1 have a(1)_0 = 1 and all entries in X(n)_k have a(k)_0 = 0 for k>1), all entries in X(n)_j will have

[tex] a(j)_{j-1} = \begin{pmatrix}n \\ j-1\end{pmatrix}(j-1)!.[/tex]

so all entries in X(n)_k will have a(k)_j = 0 for k > j+1. Thus the nth difference iteration X(n)_n will be left with the single term

[tex] a(n)_{n-1} = \begin{pmatrix}n \\ n-1\end{pmatrix}(n-1)! = n!.[/tex]
 
Hello JCVD, I have been trying to figure out the reason to the why the nth difference is equal to n! for years. Thank you for resolving what I knew to be true. I wish I knew your name so that I could explain who revealed this great mystery to me. I would not like to pretend that I figured this out myself, nor am I do I completely understand but I am going to run it by a professor to get a better understanding. It has been very important to me. I am really thankful that ershi asked you that question.
 

Similar threads

  • · Replies 3 ·
Replies
3
Views
2K
  • · Replies 17 ·
Replies
17
Views
3K
  • · Replies 26 ·
Replies
26
Views
1K
  • · Replies 4 ·
Replies
4
Views
3K
  • · Replies 9 ·
Replies
9
Views
3K
  • · Replies 10 ·
Replies
10
Views
2K
  • · Replies 4 ·
Replies
4
Views
2K
  • · Replies 4 ·
Replies
4
Views
3K
Replies
5
Views
2K
  • · Replies 1 ·
Replies
1
Views
2K