Exploring Level Curves of a Function with Maple

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around drawing the level curves of the function \( z = \frac{x^{2} + y^{2}}{y} \) for specific values of \( C \) (-1, -2, 1, 2). Participants explore the implications of these level curves and the challenges encountered while using Maple for plotting.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses confusion regarding the shape of the level curves obtained from Maple, particularly for \( C = 1 \).
  • Another participant asserts that the level curves should be circles, suggesting that different \( z \) values affect the positioning of these circles and recommending the use of implicit plotting methods.
  • A third participant points out potential issues with the plot, including the non-closure of curves on the x-axis and differing scales on the axes, which could distort the appearance of the circles.
  • A fourth participant introduces the use of polar coordinates as a simpler approach to the problem, providing a transformation of the equation into polar form.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the interpretation of the level curves or the effectiveness of Maple for plotting them. Multiple competing views on the nature of the curves and the best methods for plotting remain evident.

Contextual Notes

Participants note limitations in the plotting due to scale discrepancies and the implicit nature of the function, which may affect the visual representation of the level curves.

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This discussion may be useful for individuals interested in mathematical visualization, implicit functions, and the use of software tools like Maple and Sage for plotting mathematical concepts.

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Hello all,

I am trying to draw the level curves of this function:

\[z=\frac{x^{2}+y^{2}}{y}\]

at C=-1,-2,1,2

I started with C=1, and I got kind of stuck with this shape

\[x^{2}+y^{2}=y\]

Maple gave this as the answer, I don't get it:

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thanks !
 

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Maple is definitely not giving you a good picture. These level curves are all of them circles. Different $z$ values have the effect of raising and lowering the circles. I'm not terribly familiar with Maple, but plotting these functions is often a matter of using some sort of implicit plot, since your function is defined implicitly. Sage gave me circles as a plot, which confirms what I think they ought to be. Check Maple's documentation and see if there isn't a specific command for plotting implicit functions.

\begin{align*}
zy&=x^{2}+y^{2} \\
0&=x^{2}+y^{2}-zy \\
\frac{z^{2}}{4} &=x^{2}+y^{2}-zy+ \frac{z^{2}}{4} \\
\frac{z^{2}}{4} &= x^{2}+ \left( y- \frac{z}{2} \right)^{ \! 2}.
\end{align*}
This is the equation of a circle centered at $(0,z/2)$ of radius $z/2$.
 
Don't expect Google to do your thinking for you! Your picture looks funny for two reasons: 1) The curves are not closing on the x-axis and, 2) your x and y-axes have different scales: the distance from 0 to 1 on the x-axis is larger than the distance from 0 to 1 on the y-axis so the circles look like ellipses. In any case, whoever gave you this problem expects you to be able to complete the square as Ackbach did.
 
Almost ever the use of polar coordinates conducts to a more simple solution... in this case we obtain... $\displaystyle \frac{x^{2} + y^{2}}{y} = a \implies r = a\ \sin \theta\ (1)$

... where $\theta$ must produce a value of $r \ge 0$...

Kind regards $\chi$ $\sigma$
 

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