Exploring the Applications and Interpretations of Fractional Derivatives

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The discussion centers on the applications and interpretations of fractional derivatives, exploring both geometric interpretations and physical applications. Participants share insights from literature and personal understanding related to the theory and practical implications of fractional calculus.

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  • One participant questions whether there are geometric interpretations of fractional derivatives similar to those of first and second derivatives.
  • Another participant references Igor Podlubny's work on geometric and physical interpretations of fractional derivatives and mentions the difficulty of some related literature.
  • Concerns are raised about the lack of clear physical interpretations in many papers that apply fractional derivatives to experimental models.
  • Physical applications of fractional derivatives are noted, including their use in electrotechnology and the generalization of resistance, inductance, and capacitance.
  • A specific recommendation is made for a paper that derives fractional derivatives from first principles, highlighting the importance of foundational understanding.

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Participants express a range of views on the interpretations and applications of fractional derivatives, indicating that multiple competing perspectives exist regarding their geometric meanings and physical relevance. The discussion remains unresolved on several points, particularly concerning the clarity of physical interpretations.

Contextual Notes

Some contributions mention limitations in existing literature, such as the unclear physical interpretations in many papers and the challenge of understanding complex orders of fractional derivatives.

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I recently read a paper on fractional derivatives. That is how to take derivatives of fractional order rather than the usual integral order. The paper made perfect sense to me, however I wondered:

1) Are there geometric interpretations of fractional derivatives? Kind of like how first derivatives give us slopes of tangent lines and second derivatives tell us about a functions concavity.

2) Are there physicsal applications?

Thanks to anyone who has answers or can point me in the right direction.
 
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The only geometrical interpretation I have seen is Igor Podlubny's Geometric and physical interpretation of fractional integration and fractional differentiation which is on Arxiv. There is also Parvate & Gangal Calculus on fractal subsets of real line, again on Arxiv. The latter is very hard to read though.

As for applications? Oh God. Where to begin. Podlubny's book Fractional Differential Equations has a whole chapter on it. We not only have a dedicated journal Fractional Calculus and Applied Analysis but also the application only Fractional Differential Equations. Take a look at the References section of the Wikipedia page on the subject. Or Podlubny's http://people.tuke.sk/igor.podlubny/fc_resources.html" .

The million dollar question is what is the physical interpretation. Too many papers fall into "here is an experiment and we can model it with fractional derivatives" and give no reason as to why. Papers on this topic range from capital-b Bad to down right mathematical BS. The best paper I have seen is Neel, Abdennadher and Solofoniaina A continuous variant for Grunwald-Letnikov fractional derivatives. I highly recommend this as it derives everything from first principles.

NB: everything I wrote above is about real fractional calculus. I haven't seen any applications of complex orders, nor of fractional derivatives of complex functions.
 
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There are a lot of physical applications. Some are listed in :
K.B.Oldham, J.Spanier, "The fractionnal Calculus", Academic Press, N.-Y., 1974.
An interesting application in electrotechnology, in the field of impedances calculus, is a generalization of the resistance, inductance, capacitance to a more general notion : see section 7, p.4 in the paper "La dérivation fractionnaire"
http://www.scribd.com/JJacquelin/documents
[ written in French, but the table in p.4 showing the components generalization can be as well understood in English ]
 
Thank you both for the information.
 

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