Exploring the Relationship between Buoyancy Force and Gravitational Force

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The discussion revolves around understanding the relationship between buoyancy force and gravitational force for two bodies, one submerged in water and the other in air. The original poster expresses confusion regarding the comparison of these forces, particularly in the context of differing masses and the equilibrium of a scale.

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  • Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking

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  • Participants explore the implications of equilibrium on net forces acting on the bodies. Some suggest drawing free body diagrams to clarify the forces involved, while others express uncertainty about the relationships between the forces.

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The discussion is active, with participants providing guidance on visualizing the problem through free body diagrams. There is acknowledgment of the original poster's realization about their understanding, indicating a productive direction in the conversation.

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Participants note the need for more practice with force diagrams, and there is an emphasis on the importance of visualizing forces to aid understanding. The original poster references a textbook answer, which may influence their perspective on the problem.

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Picture below. Both bodies are made of same material but the body placed in water had 2.4 times greater mass. What is the relationship between buoyancy Force and gravitational force between body in water and body in air?
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F(buoyancy) = density(of fluid) * g * Volume(of object), F(gravitational) = m * g
Picture below. Both bodies are made of same material but the body placed in water had 2.4 times greater mass. What is the relationship between buoyancy Force and gravitational force between body in water and body in air?I have no clue how to solve this.
I know that body with greater mass has 2.4 times greater buoyancy Force, 2.4 times greater mass and gr. force, 2.4 larger volume. But I don't know how to solve the problem.

The worst thing is that I only need to answer if F(buoyancy) of body in water is <, =, > than gravitational force of body in air or if there is not enough data to answer the question.
Answer at the end of textbook is F(buoyancy) of body in water > F(gravitational) of body in air.

if some can please explain I'd be very grateful.
Thank you.
 

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What can you infer from the fact that the scale is in equilibrium? What is the relationship between the net forces acting on the two bodies?
 
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nasu said:
What can you infer from the fact that the scale is in equilibrium? What is the relationship between the net forces acting on the two bodies?
well, I guess that Fb+Fg1 = Fg2, but I still don't get it.
 
Callmelucky said:
well, I guess that Fb+Fg1 = Fg2
Don't guess. Draw two free body diagrams, one for each mass, and show all the forces acting on the mass in each diagram.
 
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kuruman said:
Don't guess. Draw two free body diagrams, one for each mass, and show all the forces acting on the mass in each diagram.
🤦‍♂️🙆‍♂️ How stupid I am. I got it. Thank you.
I didn't solve enough problems with drawing forces, so I don't have that habit.
I will have to fix that.
 
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Callmelucky said:
🤦‍♂️🙆‍♂️ How stupid I am. I got it. Thank you.
I didn't solve enough problems with drawing forces, so I don't have that habit.
I will have to fix that.
I'm glad that you got it.
 
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