Exponential Growth and Differential Equation

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around modeling the growth of a deer population using exponential functions and differential equations. Participants explore the implications of culling on the population dynamics, addressing both theoretical and practical aspects of the problem.

Discussion Character

  • Technical explanation
  • Mathematical reasoning
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants calculate the parameters a and b for the exponential growth model based on initial population estimates, with one participant arriving at a = 500 and b ≈ 0.0477.
  • There is a proposal to express the population model as P(t) = 500(11/10)^(t/2) for the years 2000 to 2005.
  • Participants discuss the need to construct an initial value problem (IVP) for part b, considering the population at the start of 2005 as the initial condition.
  • Some participants suggest that the culling should be treated as a continuous process rather than discrete, leading to a differential equation that includes both natural growth and culling terms.
  • There is confusion regarding the formulation of the differential equation, particularly about how to express the growth rate as proportional to the population and how to incorporate the culling rate.
  • One participant suggests that the growth rate should be modeled as dC/dt = bt - 20, which is challenged by others who argue that the growth term must be proportional to the current population C.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the need to model the population growth and the effects of culling, but there is disagreement on how to properly formulate the differential equation and the interpretation of proportionality in the growth term.

Contextual Notes

Participants express uncertainty about the assumptions underlying the modeling, particularly regarding the treatment of culling and the nature of the growth rate. There are unresolved questions about the correct formulation of the differential equation.

Who May Find This Useful

This discussion may be useful for those interested in mathematical modeling of population dynamics, differential equations, and the application of exponential growth models in ecological contexts.

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a) On January 1 2000, the park estimated that they had 500 deer on their land. Two years later, they estimated that there were 550 deer on the land. Assume that the number of deer was changing exponentially, i.e. P(t)=ae^bt where P is the number of deer at year t, and a and b are parameters.Find the values of a and b.

b) On January 1, 2005, the park management determined that the deer population is growing too quickly. So they decided to cull 20 deer from the herd every year thereafter (starting from January 1, 2006). Assume that the growth rate of the deer population is the same as in (a). Determine the differential equation that governs this situation, and solve it. Assume t=0 for the year 2005.

c) On January 1, 2010, the park management felt that the deer population is still rampant. They decided to remove deer so that the instantaneous rate of decrease is 10% of the deer population. Determine the differential equation that governs this situation, and solve it. Assume t=0 for the year 2010.

Need help with b and c, only able to do part (a), I got a = 500, b = 0.4476
 
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For part a), we are told that:

$$P(t)=ae^{bt}$$

where $$P(0)=500$$ and $$P(2)=550$$

Hence:

$$ae^{b\cdot0}=a=500$$

And so:

$$500e^{b\cdot2}=550\implies e^{2b}=\frac{11}{10}\implies b=\frac{1}{2}\ln\left(\frac{11}{10}\right)\approx0.0476550899021624$$

So, you may now express the solution as:

$$P(t)=500\left(\frac{11}{10}\right)^{\frac{t}{2}}$$

Now, for part b) we are going to need to construct the appropriate IVP, which consists of an ODE and an initial value, which will be the population of the deer at the beginning of 2005. Can you state the ODE governing the deer population given the growth rate and culling that will be taking place once a year?
 
MarkFL said:
For part a), we are told that:

$$P(t)=ae^{bt}$$

where $$P(0)=500$$ and $$P(2)=550$$

Hence:

$$ae^{b\cdot0}=a=500$$

And so:

$$500e^{b\cdot2}=550\implies e^{2b}=\frac{11}{10}\implies b=\frac{1}{2}\ln\left(\frac{11}{10}\right)\approx0.0476550899021624$$

So, you may now express the solution as:

$$P(t)=500\left(\frac{11}{10}\right)^{\frac{t}{2}}$$

Now, for part b) we are going to need to construct the appropriate IVP, which consists of an ODE and an initial value, which will be the population of the deer at the beginning of 2005. Can you state the ODE governing the deer population given the growth rate and culling that will be taking place once a year?

Part (b) we use the formula from (a) $$P(t)=500\left(\frac{11}{10}\right)^{\frac{t}{2}}$$, for year 2005 t=0, so P(0) = 500, next is year 2006 where 20 deer are culled every year, so we use the term -20t then substitute in the formula we have P(1) = 500 e^-20
 
No, $P(t)$ governs the population from 2000-2005, so on January 1, 2005 the population is $$P(5)=500\left(\frac{11}{10}\right)^{\frac{5}{2}}$$.

Let's call $C(t)$ the population once culling begins. We must also assume that culling is continuous rather than discrete as actually given (otherwise we will have a difference equation rather than a differential equation).

So, we know $C(0)=P(5)$ is our initial value. Now you need to construct the ODE, of the form:

$$\d{C}{t}=f(t)$$

Now $f$ will have two terms, one that represent the natural growth and one that represents the culling. The growth rate is proportional to $C$ while the culling rate is a constant and must be negative since deer are being taken from the population.

Can you express the ODE?
 
MarkFL said:
No, $P(t)$ governs the population from 2000-2005, so on January 1, 2005 the population is $$P(5)=500\left(\frac{11}{10}\right)^{\frac{5}{2}}$$.

Let's call $C(t)$ the population once culling begins. We must also assume that culling is continuous rather than discrete as actually given (otherwise we will have a difference equation rather than a differential equation).

So, we know $C(0)=P(5)$ is our initial value. Now you need to construct the ODE, of the form:

$$\d{C}{t}=f(t)$$

Now $f$ will have two terms, one that represent the natural growth and one that represents the culling. The growth rate is proportional to $C$ while the culling rate is a constant and must be negative since deer are being taken from the population.

Can you express the ODE?

take from part (a) b is the growth rate, so dC/dt = bt-20 ?
 
hongyuan94 said:
take from part (a) b is the growth rate, so dC/dt = bt-20 ?

No, your first term is not proportional to $C$...:)
 
MarkFL said:
No, your first term is not proportional to $C$...:)
sorry, I can't really understand it. What means proportional to C here? I thought that b is the growth rate so b multiply with t would be the growth then minus 20 would be the after-culling growth rate.
 
hongyuan94 said:
sorry, I can't really understand it. What means proportional to C here? I thought that b is the growth rate so b multiply with t would be the growth then minus 20 would be the after-culling growth rate.

You have a linear growth rate, but we need a growth rate that is in part proportional to the population itself and minus the cull rate.
 

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