Why Are Exponential Growth Equations Different?

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The discussion revolves around the differences between exponential growth equations derived from discrete and continuous models, specifically addressing the interpretation of the growth constant in relation to population growth rates. Participants explore the implications of using different mathematical formulations for modeling growth over time.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses confusion regarding the growth constant k in the context of a population growing at a rate of 2% per year, questioning whether the book's assignment of k = 0.02 is correct.
  • Another participant suggests that k should actually be ln(1.02), indicating a different interpretation of the growth constant.
  • A third participant explains the distinction between discrete and continuous growth models, detailing how the equations relate to sequences and functions, and how they can be connected through sampling intervals.
  • A later reply agrees with the explanation and asserts that the book's definition of the growth constant is incorrect, emphasizing the difference between the current value's rate of change and the next value's relation.
  • One participant shifts the topic slightly, asking about how to view LaTeX formatted equations, indicating a desire for better presentation of mathematical expressions.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the correct interpretation of the growth constant k, with multiple competing views presented regarding its definition and application in the context of exponential growth equations.

Contextual Notes

The discussion highlights potential limitations in understanding the relationship between discrete and continuous growth models, as well as the assumptions underlying the definitions of growth constants.

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I am learning calculus from a book of mine, and it gave an example problem of exponential growth (as derived from the exponential differential equation of dy/dx = ky to be y=Ce^kt) saying a population is growing at a rate of 2% per year, and says that K, the growth constant, in this case is k = .02. My confusion is, I thought you could set up the equation of this to be Y=A(1.02)^(t) "A" being the initial amount, and here I can see it is also Y=A*e^(.02*t) since k=.02 yet these equations are not the same and I am very confused because if you plug in one year length (t=1) then the initial amount has grown by 1.02 (or increased by 2%) and this is not the case for the second equation. Could someone explain to me whether the book has set k to the wrong value (if an amount grows by x% by some time, the growth constant k is not that percentage) or why these equations are different, or if one is incorrect.

(The book says an amount is growing by 2% and then says that the growth constant k=.02)
 
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hmm. k should be ln(1.02)
 
This is the difference between discrete time recurrence relation and continuous time "recurrence" relation.
In discrete time Y[n+1]=k*Y[n] you are dealing with sequences, and here the solution is a geometric series with q=k. In discrete time the equation implies a direct relation between the current value and the next value.
In continuous time the relation y'(t)=ky(t), you are dealing with function. Here the equation implies a relation between the current value of the function and its current rate of change.
That what sets the difference.

But by "sampling" you can rearrange the latter equation to take the form of the first equation.
Let's say we sample our function at intervals of \delta t and we define Y[n] to be y(t=n\delta t). So the approximate derivative will be

\frac{Y[n+1]-Y[n]}{\delta t}

Comparing with kY[n] (as the diff. equation gives) you have:

Y[n+1]=(k\delta t + 1)Y[n]

Here, as you said yourself, the discrete solution is:

Y[n]=Y[0](k\delta t +1)^{n}

Now let's connect this to the continuous case:
Remember that n=\frac{t}{\delta t}

So an approximate evaluation of y(t) is:

y(t)=y(0)(k\delta t +1)^{\frac{t}{\delta t}}

To get this approximation more and more accurate, we need to sample more frequently, or in other words, have \delta t be as small as possible. We take the limit of the left-havd expression at \delta t --> 0, and if you remember the defenition of e, you get back your expected solution:

y(t)=y(0)e^{kt}
 
wow, thanks elibj. I believe the book was incorrect, the growth constant K refers to the relation between the current value and it's rate of change, which is not the same constant as the relation between current value and next value. Thanks again you guys.
 
elibj123 said:
...We take the limit of the left-havd expression at \delta t --> 0, and if you remember the defenition of e, you get back your expected solution:

y(t)=y(0)e^{kt}

I know this is off subject, but what do I need to load onto my computer in order to see your nicely formatted latex formulas? I can see the source code but not the resulting image.
 

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