Expressing a set as the difference between two sets.

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The discussion revolves around expressing the union of two intervals, [a, b] and [c, d], as the difference between two sets. Participants explore the implications of the condition a < b < c < d and consider various ways to represent the union through set differences. The scope includes mathematical reasoning and conceptual clarification regarding set operations.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants note that the intervals [a, b] and [c, d] are disjoint due to the condition a < b < c < d, leading to the suggestion that the open interval (b, c) can be subtracted from a larger interval.
  • One participant proposes that the union can be expressed as [a, d] \ (b, c), indicating that the union includes all numbers from [a, d] except those in (b, c).
  • Another participant agrees with the previous claim, reinforcing that the expression [a, d] - (b, c) accurately represents the union of the two intervals.
  • There is a mention of a general principle that a union of bounded intervals can be represented as the interval defined by the infimum and supremum of all intervals, minus the "holes" created by the gaps between them.
  • One participant suggests that there are multiple ways to express the union as a difference of sets, including the trivial case of subtracting the empty set.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the method of expressing the union as a difference of sets, specifically using the intervals [a, d] and (b, c). However, there is some ambiguity regarding the uniqueness of the representation, as different participants suggest alternative formulations.

Contextual Notes

Some participants highlight the importance of the specific conditions given (a < b < c < d) in determining the validity of the proposed set differences. The discussion does not resolve whether there are other valid representations beyond those mentioned.

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Readers interested in set theory, mathematical reasoning involving intervals, or those exploring the properties of unions and differences of sets may find this discussion beneficial.

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Let a, b, c, and d be real numbers with a < b < c < d. Express the set [a, b]U[c, d] as the difference of two sets.

I know that [a,b]U[c,d] is a union and what a difference of two sets is, but I don't quite understand this question.
 
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Note that you're given the condition $a < b < c < d$. Thus, $[a, b]$ and $[c, d]$ are disjoint, i.e., $(b, c)$ is non-null. Consider the compactfied interval $[a, d] \supset [a, b] \cup [c, d]$. Can you "subtract" something from $[a, d]$ to produce $[a, b] \cup [c, d]$?
 
rayne said:
Let a, b, c, and d be real numbers with a < b < c < d. Express the set [a, b]U[c, d] as the difference of two sets.

I know that [a,b]U[c,d] is a union and what a difference of two sets is, but I don't quite understand this question.

Hi!

$$[a, b] \cup [c, d]=[a,d] \setminus (b,c)$$

since at the interval $[a, b] \cup [c, d]$ are included all the numbers from the interval $[a,d]$, except the ones that belong to the open interval $(b,c)$.
 
mathbalarka said:
Note that you're given the condition $a < b < c < d$. Thus, $[a, b]$ and $[c, d]$ are disjoint, i.e., $(b, c)$ is non-null. Consider the compactfied interval $[a, d] \supset [a, b] \cup [c, d]$. Can you "subtract" something from $[a, d]$ to produce $[a, b] \cup [c, d]$?

So like what evinda said, (b,c)?
 
Yes, well, evinda revealed it. It can be written as $[a, d] - (b, c)$.
 
In general, a union of bounded intervals can be expressed as the interval bounded by the inf and the sup of all the intervals, minus the "holes".

I like to think of $A - B$ as: $A$, except for the bite $B$ took out of $A$.
 
rayne said:
Let a, b, c, and d be real numbers with a < b < c < d. Express the set [a, b]U[c, d] as the difference of two sets.
And, of course, $[a, b]\cup[c, d]=([a, b]\cup[c, d])\setminus\emptyset$. Many other variants are possible. If the problem asked to represent $[a, b]\cup[c, d]$ as the difference of two segments, then I believe there is only one solution.
 

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