Expressing a variable from cross product

In summary, the cross product of any two vectors is always perpendicular to those two vectors. Therefore, if \vec{a}= \vec{b}\times\vec{c}, it is not possible for both \vec{b}= \vec{c}\times\vec{a} and \vec{c}= \vec{a}\times\vec{b} to be true, unless \vec{b} and \vec{c} are perpendicular to each other. This is a special case and there is no way to express \vec{b} and \vec{c} from the previous equation. In the equation in electromagnetism, \vec{E}=c(\vec{B}x\vec{U
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Can I use cyclic rotation in [tex]\vec{a}[/tex] = [tex]\vec{b}[/tex] x [tex]\vec{c}[/tex] and say:
[tex]\vec{c}[/tex] = [tex]\vec{a}[/tex] x [tex]\vec{b}[/tex]
[tex]\vec{b}[/tex] = [tex]\vec{c}[/tex] x [tex]\vec{a}[/tex]

for any vectors [tex]\vec{a}[/tex], [tex]\vec{b}[/tex] and [tex]\vec{c}[/tex] or only if they are perpendicular to each other?

If it's only a special case: is there a way to express [tex]\vec{b}[/tex] and [tex]\vec{c}[/tex] from the previous equation?

(I'm asking because of the equation in electromagnetism that says [tex]\vec{E}[/tex]=c([tex]\vec{B}[/tex]x[tex]\vec{U}[/tex]) where I might need to find any of the 3 vectors from the other two)

I hope writing down the matrices, finding the inverses and solving a matrix equation is not the only way.

Thank you :)
 
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Remember that the cross product of any two vectors is perpendicular to the two vectors. If [itex]\vec{a}= \vec{b}\times\vec{c}[/itex] with [itex]\vec{b}[/itex] and [itex]\vec{c}[/itex] not perpendicular, then we cannot have \vec{b}= \vec{c}\times\vec{a}[/itex] because that says [itex]\vec{b}[/itex] is perpendicular to [itex]\vec{c}[/itex] nor can [itex]\vec{c}= \vec{a}\times\vec{b}[/itex] because then [itex]\vec{c}[/itex] would be perpendicular to [itex]\vec{b}[/itex].
 
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Thank you :)
 
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You can explore the various possibilities with this handy identity:

[tex]\left ( \textbf{a} \times \textbf{b} \right ) \times \textbf{c} = \left ( \textbf{a} \cdot \textbf{c} \right ) \textbf{b} - \left ( \textbf{b} \cdot \textbf{c} \right ) \textbf{a}[/tex]
 
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I would like to clarify that the cross product is a mathematical operation between two vectors that results in a vector perpendicular to both of the original vectors. In the equation \vec{a} = \vec{b} x \vec{c}, the vector \vec{a} is the cross product of \vec{b} and \vec{c}. This means that \vec{a} is perpendicular to both \vec{b} and \vec{c}.

In general, the cross product is not commutative, meaning that the order of the vectors matters. So, if we have \vec{a} = \vec{b} x \vec{c}, it does not necessarily mean that we can also write \vec{c} = \vec{a} x \vec{b} or \vec{b} = \vec{c} x \vec{a}. These equations are only valid if \vec{a}, \vec{b}, and \vec{c} are all perpendicular to each other.

In the context of electromagnetism, the equation \vec{E}=c(\vec{B}x\vec{U}) is a special case where \vec{E}, \vec{B}, and \vec{U} are all perpendicular to each other. This means that we can use the cross product to find any of the three vectors from the other two.

In general, if you want to express \vec{b} or \vec{c} from the equation \vec{a} = \vec{b} x \vec{c}, you can use the properties of the cross product to write \vec{b} = \frac{\vec{a} x \vec{c}}{|\vec{c}|} and \vec{c} = \frac{\vec{a} x \vec{b}}{|\vec{b}|}. However, this will only be valid if \vec{a}, \vec{b}, and \vec{c} are all perpendicular to each other.

In conclusion, the use of the cross product in expressing variables is limited to special cases where the vectors involved are perpendicular to each other. In other cases, we cannot simply use cyclic rotation to express one vector from the other two. Matrix equations and finding inverses may be necessary in those cases.
 

1. What is a cross product?

A cross product is an operation in vector algebra that produces a vector that is perpendicular to both of the original vectors being multiplied. It is represented by the symbol × and is also known as the vector product.

2. How do you express a variable from a cross product?

To express a variable from a cross product, you first need to understand the formula for cross product, which is a × b = |a| |b| sinθ n. Here, n is the unit vector perpendicular to both a and b, |a| and |b| are the magnitudes of the vectors, and θ is the angle between them. You can rearrange this formula to isolate the variable you want to express.

3. What is the application of expressing variables from cross products?

Expressing variables from cross products is useful in solving problems in physics, engineering, and other fields that involve vector quantities. It allows you to find the magnitude or direction of a vector, or to solve for unknowns in equations involving vectors.

4. Can you provide an example of expressing a variable from a cross product?

Sure, let's say we have two vectors a = 2i + 3j + 4k and b = i + 2j + k. We want to find the value of θ if we know that the cross product of a and b is 10√2. We can set up the equation |a| |b| sinθ = 10√2 and solve for sinθ, which gives us sinθ = 1/√2. Taking the inverse sine, we get θ = 45 degrees.

5. Are there any special cases when expressing variables from cross products?

Yes, if the two vectors being multiplied are parallel, the cross product will be zero and there will be no unique solution for the variable. Similarly, if the two vectors are perpendicular, the cross product will have a magnitude of zero, but the direction of the resulting vector will be undefined.

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