Deriving law of sines from cross product

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around deriving the law of sines using the cross product of vectors representing the sides of a triangle. Participants explore the relationships between the angles and sides of the triangle formed by three vectors that sum to zero.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • One participant initiates the discussion by stating the relationship of three vectors that sum to zero, forming a triangle, and expresses uncertainty about how to proceed with the derivation.
  • Another participant suggests taking the cross product of the vectors and provides a mathematical expression involving the sine of angles and the magnitudes of the vectors, although they note the neglect of a minus sign.
  • A participant questions how to incorporate the sine of the third angle and the magnitude of the third vector into the derivation.
  • Another reply indicates that using the cross product of a different vector with the sum of the other vectors can help relate the third angle and side, suggesting that comparing two equations can incorporate all three angles.
  • One participant expresses appreciation for the explanation but seeks clarification on the reasoning behind using the cross product of a vector with the sum of the others to derive the law of sines.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the approach of using cross products to derive the law of sines, but there is uncertainty about the specific steps and reasoning involved in incorporating all three angles and sides into the derivation.

Contextual Notes

The discussion includes assumptions about the properties of cross products and the relationships between angles and sides in a triangle, which may not be fully resolved or explicitly stated.

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I am trying to derive the law of signs from the cross product.

First, we have three vectors ##\vec{A} ~\vec{B} ~\vec{C}## such that ##\vec{A} + \vec{B} + \vec{C} = 0##. This creates a triangle. Then, we label the angles opposite the respective sides as a, b, and c. I am not sure where to go from here... We could take the cross product of each combination of ##\vec{A}## and ##\vec{B}##, but these cross products aren't necessarily equal, so can't set them equal to derive the law of sines... Any help would be appreciated.
 
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Mr Davis 97 said:
I am trying to derive the law of signs from the cross product.

First, we have three vectors ##\vec{A} ~\vec{B} ~\vec{C}## such that ##\vec{A} + \vec{B} + \vec{C} = 0##. This creates a triangle. Then, we label the angles opposite the respective sides as a, b, and c. I am not sure where to go from here... We could take the cross product of each combination of ##\vec{A}## and ##\vec{B}##, but these cross products aren't necessarily equal, so can't set them equal to derive the law of sines... Any help would be appreciated.
If you take ## C \times (A+B+C)=0 ## and ## C \times C=0 ## Then ## |A||C|sin(\theta_1)=|B||C|sin(\theta_2) ## (neglecting a minus sign which is of little significance).Result is ## sin(\theta_1)/|B|=sin(\theta_2)/|A| ##
 
How do I get ##sin(\theta_3)/|C|## in there? That was my main problem.
 
Mr Davis 97 said:
How do I get ##sin(\theta_3)/|C|## in there? That was my main problem.
That will show up if you take ## B \times (A+B+C)=0 ## (or ## A \times (A+B+C)=0 ##). You can only do two angles at a time by this method. Comparing two of the equations will tie the 3rd one in there. e.g. ## B \times ## gives you ## sin(\theta_2)/|A|=sin(\theta_3)/|C| ##.
 
Awesome. Thanks! While the way you put it is very understandable, but I'm not really sure how you came to the conclusion that the cross product of one of the vectors with the sum of the other three would lead you to the proof... Basically, "how would I have thought of that?"
 
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