Expressing the determinant as the product of two determinants

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The discussion centers on expressing a determinant involving sums of powers of variables as the product of two determinants. The determinant in question is related to the values of sr, which are defined as sr = a^r + b^r + c^r. Participants are exploring the use of matrix theory and inner products to simplify the expression. A proposed approach involves defining specific 3-vectors and calculating their inner products to form the determinant. The goal is to demonstrate that the determinant equals (a - b)^2 (b - g)^2 (g - a)^2, highlighting the complexity of finding an appropriate matrix representation.
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This is what the symbols in the question represent( sorry about the syntax) ;
sr = s subscript r
a^r = alpha to the power of r
b^r = beta to the power of r
g^r = gamma to the power of r

Question:

If sr = a^r + b^r + c^r, by expressing the determinant as the product of two determinants, show that

l 3 s1 s2 l
l s1 s2 s3 l
l s2 s3 s4 l

= (a - b)^2 (b - g)^2 (g - a)^2


What I have used so far is the theory behind the product of two matrices being equal to the composition of the matrix corresponding to the linear transformations.

In R2, if you have a set of points x and y, its very simple to work out Ta : (x,y) -> (u,v) and then Tb : (u,v) -> (w,z) . But I'm having problems with actually finding a matrix to work with. Have tried out quite a few things, but I get lost in a whole mess of polynomials. Just need a head start please.
 
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Consider this a hint

$$ \left(\begin{array}{ccc} 1 & 1 & 1 \\ a & b & c \\ a^2 & b^2 & c^2 \end{array}\right)$$.
 
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Sdelange said:
This is what the symbols in the question represent( sorry about the syntax) ;
sr = s subscript r
a^r = alpha to the power of r
b^r = beta to the power of r
g^r = gamma to the power of r

Question:

If sr = a^r + b^r + c^r, by expressing the determinant as the product of two determinants, show that

l 3 s1 s2 l
l s1 s2 s3 l
l s2 s3 s4 l

= (a - b)^2 (b - g)^2 (g - a)^2


What I have used so far is the theory behind the product of two matrices being equal to the composition of the matrix corresponding to the linear transformations.

In R2, if you have a set of points x and y, its very simple to work out Ta : (x,y) -> (u,v) and then Tb : (u,v) -> (w,z) . But I'm having problems with actually finding a matrix to work with. Have tried out quite a few things, but I get lost in a whole mess of polynomials. Just need a head start please.


I am going to use LaTeX in this posting, and will use the symbols a, b, c instead of \alpha, \beta, \gamma. If you introduce the 3-vectors
u_0 = (1,1,1), \; u_1 = (a,b,c), \; u_2 = (a^2, b^2, c^2),
and define the inner product of two 3-vectors x = (x_1,x_2,x_3) \text{ and } y = (y_1,y_2,y_3) as \langle x , y \rangle= x_1 y_1 + x_2 y_2 + x_3 y_3, then your determinant has the form
D = \left| \begin{array}{ccc}<br /> \langle u_0, u_0 \rangle &amp; \langle u_0,u_1 \rangle &amp; \langle u_0,u_2 \rangle\\<br /> \langle u_1, u_0 \rangle &amp; \langle u_1,u_1 \rangle &amp; \langle u_1,u_2 \rangle\\<br /> \langle u_2, u_0 \rangle &amp; \langle u_2,u_1 \rangle &amp; \langle u_2,u_2 \rangle<br /> \end{array} \right|<br />

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