Expression for magnitude of magnetic force

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The discussion revolves around deriving an expression for the magnitude of the magnetic force on a charged particle moving near a current-carrying wire. The problem involves concepts from electromagnetism, specifically the interaction between electric charge, velocity, and magnetic fields.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants explore the relationship between the force, charge, velocity, and magnetic field, questioning the appropriateness of using the cross product versus scalar multiplication. There is also discussion about defining new variables and the relevance of the magnetic field strength formula related to a wire.

Discussion Status

Participants are actively engaging with the problem, providing insights and corrections regarding the formulation of the magnetic force. Some have suggested the need for clarity on the definition of new variables, while others are considering the implications of different mathematical operations on the vectors involved.

Contextual Notes

There is an emphasis on expressing the force in terms of scalar quantities rather than vector forms, and participants are navigating the constraints of the problem statement regarding variable definitions.

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Homework Statement


A particle with charge q moves with velocity v near a long, straight wire which has a current I flowing through it which generates magnetic field B. Give an expression for the magnitude of the force on this particle in terms of q, v = | v | and the magnitude of the magnetic field strength B. Make sure you define any other variables that you introduce.

Homework Equations


F = q(v x B)

The Attempt at a Solution


Could it be as simple as just quoting F = q(v x B)? I feel as though I may be missing something as this would seem a little too straight forward.

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no, that writes it in terms of the velocity vector and the magnetic field vector.
They want you to write it in terms of the scalar speed and the magnetic field strength (scalar).
(hint: you WILL need to introduce a new variable that you'll need to define)
 
Thanks a lot for the reply!
Is it somehow related to the formula for magnetic field strength at a given distance from a wire: B= [PLAIN]http://scienceworld.wolfram.com/physics/pimg170.gifi / 2pi r? I am struggling to see from my books what else could be relevant.
 
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they don't want your "Making B" equation ... that would write the Force in terms of I, not B.
what does that little "x" in your formula mean?
 
Ahh so you could take the dot product rather than the cross product of the vectors and theta would be the new variable?
 
multiplication of scalars is not really a "dot product", it is simply multiplication.
A "dot product" multiplies the parallel components of 2 vectors, yielding a scalar.
This "cross product" multiplies the 2 vectors' perpendicular components, yielding a 3rd (perp) vector.
 
This is what I got, would appreciate some input:

F = qvBsin(theta)
 
yes, good ... but since θ is a new variable, you need to define it (as they explicitly stated)
 

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