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What exactly is the exterior derivative? What is its motivation? how do you compute it? Most importantly why is that how you copute it?
The discussion revolves around the concept of the exterior derivative, its motivation, and methods of computation. Participants explore its theoretical foundations, implications in calculus, and its relationship with Stokes' theorem, as well as specific properties such as nilpotency and the modified Leibniz rule.
The discussion contains multiple competing views and remains unresolved on several points, particularly regarding the implications and proofs of certain properties of the exterior derivative.
Participants express varying levels of understanding regarding the definitions and properties of the exterior derivative, indicating potential limitations in their grasp of the underlying mathematical concepts.
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Well, if you followed mathwonk's description that we use the exterior derivative because it makes Stoke's theorem work... then apply Stoke's theorem!Terilien said:Well could someone explain why we impose the condition d(da)=0. I think I understand but would still like an explanation...
Terilien said:Well could someone explain why we impose the condition d(da)=0, and it's not something to be "imposed" but is instead a consequence of the manner in which the exterior derivative is defined. I think I understand but would still like an explanation...
Terilien said:So I did understand it. One last thing, I'm not sure if I understand the modified leibniz rule very well. could someone prove it rigorously?
I'm talking about the liebniz rule between wedge products. I don't quite know how to prove it...:(
When doing exterior algebra, I'm very much used to writing the product asTerilien said:I was talking about the exterior derivative of a wedge product.
It's suppose to be something like, p^dq +-1^p (q^dp) or something along those lines. how do we get that?>
i know its silly but i really don't know how its proven.
That (generally) shouldn't be equal to d(p /\ q). So it's a good thing you didn't wind up with p /\ dq - q /\ dp.Terilien said:what i did was (p+dp)^(q+dq) -p^q. i evaluated that and got + p^dq +dp^q +dp^dq
what do we do with that?
Well, I'm not really sure what you're asking anymore.Terilien said:so where does the other thing come into play?
Terilien said:What exactly is the exterior derivative? What is its motivation? how do you compute it? Most importantly why is that how you copute it?
Terilien said:I was talking about the exterior derivative of a wedge product.
It's suppose to be something like, p^dq +-1^p (q^dp) or something along those lines. how do we get that?>
i know its silly but i really don't know how its proven.