Factorial Limits: Find the Limit of a Sequence as n Approaches Infinity

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The discussion revolves around finding the limit of a sequence defined by the ratio of the product of odd integers up to (2n-1) and n!. Participants are exploring the behavior of this limit as n approaches infinity, particularly focusing on factorials and their properties.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

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  • Participants attempt to rewrite the sequence in different forms to analyze its convergence. Questions arise regarding the manipulation of factorials and the implications of rewriting the expression as (2n-1)!/n!. There is also inquiry into the meaning of double factorials and how they relate to the original problem.

Discussion Status

The discussion is active, with participants providing feedback on each other's attempts. Some participants express confusion about factorials and seek clarification on the steps involved in reaching certain expressions. There is no explicit consensus, but various interpretations and approaches are being explored.

Contextual Notes

Participants note a lack of experience with factorials, which may influence their understanding of the problem. There is also mention of the need for clearer steps in the reasoning process, indicating that some foundational concepts may need to be revisited.

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Homework Statement


Find the lim as n-->inf of the sequence
{an}=
1x3x5x...x(2n-1)
_______________
n!


Homework Equations





The Attempt at a Solution


I rewrote it as
...(2n-3)(2n-2)(2n-1)
__________________
n(n-1)(n-2)...2x1
which leads me to believe that is converges at infinity--is this at all correct

 
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dlf387 said:

Homework Statement


Find the lim as n-->inf of the sequence
{an}=
1x3x5x...x(2n-1)
_______________
n!


Homework Equations





The Attempt at a Solution


I rewrote it as
...(2n-3)(2n-2)(2n-1)
__________________
n(n-1)(n-2)...2x1
which leads me to believe that is converges at infinity--is this at all correct?
No, that's not correct. And I don't know why you would say that leads you to believe it converges. Obviously, the the denominator cancels with part of the numerator:
[tex]\frac{(2n-1)!}{n!}= (n+1)(n+2)\cdot\cdot\cdot(2n-1)[/tex]

That does not converge.
 
Thank you for your reply but I have not had much experience with factorials. Could you please fill in the steps to reach how you got to that final expression? Also, could you please help me understand how to get a finite limit from a factorial?
thanks
 
HallsofIvy said:
No, that's not correct. And I don't know why you would say that leads you to believe it converges. Obviously, the the denominator cancels with part of the numerator:
[tex]\frac{(2n-1)!}{n!}= (n+1)(n+2)\cdot\cdot\cdot(2n-1)[/tex]

That does not converge.

I think the question is actually about (2n-1)!/n!. I.e. for n=5, (1*3*5*7*9)/(1*2*3*4*5). If you write that as (1/1)*(3/2)*(5/3)*(7/4)*(9/5) you can see that all of the factors are greater than 1. In fact, a lot of them are greater than 1.5. If n is large what does this tell you about the product?
 
Thank you very much for the reply. When you write it out like that I can see that the product will eventually reach infinity. But how did you know to rewrite the expression as (2n-1)!/n!
and what does a double factorial mean?
thanks
 
Thank you very much for the reply. When you write it out like that I can see that the product will eventually reach infinity. But how did you know to rewrite the expression as (2n-1)!/n!
and what does a double factorial mean?
thanks
 
dlf387 said:
Thank you very much for the reply. When you write it out like that I can see that the product will eventually reach infinity. But how did you know to rewrite the expression as (2n-1)!/n!
and what does a double factorial mean?
thanks

You can look up 'double factorial' on line. It's just a shorthand way of writing your product, 1*3*5*7*9=9!.
 
I am sorry to belabor the point, but is there anyway to reduce (2n-1)!/n!
to a more simpler form--like the 1st commentator did? is what they did correct?

i think that n! can be written as (1x2x(n-1)x(n-2)x...x(n)) but could that cancel with anything from the numerator?
thanks
 
Not really. The 2n-1 in the numerator doesn't cancel with anything in the denominator and the even numbers in the denominator don't cancel with anything in the numerator.
 

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