Factoring "Puzzle": Find a for \frac {a^2 - 2x -3}{x^2 - 4x + a}

  • Thread starter Thread starter kenewbie
  • Start date Start date
  • Tags Tags
    Factoring Puzzle
Click For Summary

Homework Help Overview

The discussion revolves around the factoring of the expression \(\frac {a^2 - 2x -3}{x^2 - 4x + a}\) and determining the values of "a" that allow for this reduction. The subject area includes polynomial factoring and rational expressions.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Problem interpretation

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • The original poster attempts to factor the numerator and equate the roots of the denominator to those of the numerator. They explore the implications of the discriminant and roots of the quadratic equations involved.
  • Some participants question the original poster's approach and suggest alternative methods, such as polynomial long division and the Remainder Theorem, to find values of "a".
  • There is a discussion about the missed solution of -5, with the original poster reflecting on their earlier calculations.

Discussion Status

The conversation is ongoing, with participants exploring different methods for solving the problem. Some guidance has been offered regarding polynomial long division and the Remainder Theorem, but there is no explicit consensus on the best approach yet.

Contextual Notes

The original poster expresses uncertainty about their lengthy approach and seeks more efficient methods. There is also mention of a lack of familiarity with certain polynomial concepts, which may affect their understanding of the problem.

kenewbie
Messages
238
Reaction score
0
factoring "puzzle"

For what values of "a" can the following be factored and reduced:

[tex]\frac {a^2 - 2x -3}{x^2 - 4x + a}[/tex]

Ok, so the first thing on the list is to factor the top term.

[tex]x = \frac {-(-2) \pm \sqrt{(-2)^2 - 4 * 1 * (-3)} } {2 * 1}[/tex]

The roots are 3 & -1, and the factors then become

[tex](x-3)(x+1)[/tex]

So, I want the denominator to become either both, or one of those factors.

I start off by rewriting the denominator as an equation

[tex]x = \frac {4 \pm \sqrt{16 - 4 * 1 * a} } {2}[/tex]

At this point I can tell that there are only solutions for [tex]a < 5[/tex]

I know that I want the roots the polynomial to be either 3 or -1 (or both), so I substitute everything inside the square root with R, and check which values I need from the square root.

[tex] \begin{align*}<br /> \frac{4 + R}{2} = 3\\<br /> 4 + R = 6\\<br /> R = 2\\<br /> \end{align*}[/tex]

and

[tex] \begin{align*}<br /> \frac{4 + R}{2} = -1\\<br /> 4 + R = -2\\<br /> R = -6\\<br /> \end{align*}[/tex]

Since I would be hard pressed to get the square root back as negative 6, I conclude that I want the result of the square root to be 2.

In other words

[tex] \begin{align*}<br /> \sqrt{16 - 4 * 1 * a} = 2\\<br /> 16 - 4a = 4\\<br /> a = 3\\<br /> \end{align*}[/tex]

Finally there. I factor the polynomial using [tex]a = 3[/tex]

[tex]x = \frac {4 \pm \sqrt{16 - 4 * 3} } {2}[/tex]

The roots are 3 and 1 which gives the factors

[tex](x-3)(x-1)[/tex]

And I can now factor the original rational expression

[tex] \frac {a^2 - 2x -3}{x^2 - 4x + a} = \frac {(x-3)(x+1)} {(x-3)(x-1)} = \frac {x + 1}{ x -1}[/tex]


However, there are two things that bug me to no end. First off the are two solutions listed, 3 and -5. I only found one of them, but I can't see where I went wrong and "missed" the second one?

The other thing is that I found my approach rather long winded, and I wondered if there was a better way to do this kind of problems?

Thanks for any feedback.

k
 
Physics news on Phys.org
Hi kenewbie! :smile:
kenewbie said:
The other thing is that I found my approach rather long winded, and I wondered if there was a better way to do this kind of problems?

(I assume you mean [tex]\frac {x^2 - 2x -3}{x^2 - 4x + a}[/tex]) ?

erm … yes! :biggrin:

Two methods (basically the same):

i] Just use long division, first with (x - 3) and then with (x + 1).

The remainder will be a + something, which you want to be zero. :smile:

ii] You want 3 or 1 to be a root of the denominator, so just plug 3 or 1 into it, again you get the remainder!
 


I'm afraid I don't quite get what you mean. Can I bother you to type out examples how how you would do it?

k
 


ooh, I think I see why I missed the -5 solution.

I used [tex]4 + R[/tex] instead of [tex]4 \pm R[/tex], which would allow me to use the -6 as just 6, which would have come out with -5 as a root.

k
 
kenewbie said:
I'm afraid I don't quite get what you mean. Can I bother you to type out examples how how you would do it?

Well, for example, if you want x2 - 4x + a to be divisible by (x - b),

then b will be a root,

and so b2 - 4b + a must be zero ("Remainder Theorem"). :smile:
 


Aha. I haven't learned "polynomial long division" or "polynomial remainder theorem" yet, but I see they both have neat little articles on wikipedia, so I'll look into them.

Thanks

k
 

Similar threads

  • · Replies 24 ·
Replies
24
Views
4K
  • · Replies 3 ·
Replies
3
Views
3K
Replies
4
Views
3K
  • · Replies 17 ·
Replies
17
Views
2K
  • · Replies 7 ·
Replies
7
Views
3K
  • · Replies 14 ·
Replies
14
Views
3K
  • · Replies 1 ·
Replies
1
Views
3K
  • · Replies 17 ·
Replies
17
Views
3K
  • · Replies 2 ·
Replies
2
Views
2K
Replies
10
Views
3K